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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

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  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Not everyone can handle the pressures that are bound to get worse. but I can assure you, it's gonna be worse for the ones outside of the arrangement.

  This isn't a case of you wandering away, dear. This is a blatant move on your part to defect from the work. That's entirely your decision.

  If you told Jesus you no longer wanted to be his disciple, what would you expect him to say or do?

  This is another aspect which troubles me...equating leaving the Society with leaving Jesus or Jehovah. I know they've been saying that in the Watchtowers and the talks. A year ago, I would be apologizing for the Society just as you do now. But I'm tired of them raising themselves up to heavenly stature.

  I respect your convictions as I hope you would respect mine and everyone else's. Take sides with God, indeed. Jesus will know his disciples, wherever they may be.
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Now Sirnose, I know you're intelligent.

  Buttering up, eh? That's your prerogative, Gunshy...but save your compliments for when you know me a bit better!

  The rich young ruler wouldn't give up his things to follow Jesus. What might that young person in your hall be refusing to give up?

  Your beef may not be with the organization as much as it's with Jesus' teachings Sirnose.

  (Matthew 19:21-22) . ;. ;.Jesus said to him: "If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower." 22

  ;When the young man heard this saying, he went away grieved, for he was holding many possessions.

  If you want to help someone, sirnose, help the young man rid himself of the bottle so he can then have no barrier to becoming a follower of Jesus.

  You haven't explained how I have any "beef" with Jesus' teachings. This kid (let's call him kid-M) is a good friend of mine, and another friend and I want to help him to straighten out and fly right. The difficult part is to understand how to go about helping him. How can you encourage someone to associate himself with an organization that has shown interest in only punishing him for when he acts out? How do you encourage someone to associate with an organization that has demoted and discouraged his friends? I want to lead kid-M to an authority that he can revere, because right now his only "authorities" are girls and booze. The friend who wants to help me with kid-M wishes he could be df'ed (or otherwise shunned), so he could see the error of his ways. That punishment would be quite stringent, but wouldn't that just push him farther away? Kid-M already engages in these activities because he doesn't care about JW organization authority, and he knows they can't df him. I don't want to lose another youngblood due to shunning.

  The authority I want to lead him to is Christ. Whether he chooses to associate with JWs, despite all they have done to him (or not done for him), should be his choice. Unfortunately, showing him this would be considered apostate, because I no longer believe in toeing the WTS line. I am troubled, because leading people to the freedom of Christ is not what Jehovah's Witnesses believe in. The message has been lately--or at least I am finally noticing it now--that you need organization, righteousness comes through laws, and that they are the sole dispensers of closeness to God.

  The freedom of Christ does not mean that what you believe to be right today may be wrong tomorrow, but then right a few years from now.
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  Why Do Inactive Ones Sometimes Go Back To The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  SirNose586

  They go back because they want that old familiarity back. They want to feel appreciated by a group, and have some friends again.
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  Is This Man Certifiably Insane #2

  by hillary_step in

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  http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2851488008488190547&q=drive+paris .

  before certain posters leap to their feet and dribble spittle down their forelocks, i do not think this man insane as i have actually seen seventy year old men on bicycles drive through the streets of paris at this speed while smoking the draft papers of president bush rolled up tightly in dick's cheney... hs .

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  You realize that you are comparing playing a racing game to reality? If you really are impressed by this sort of behavior, you have issues probably best suited to a professional diagnosis.

  "Ballsy" and "brilliant" to pit the driver's own driving skill against chance and the unlucky pedestrian's life? Purely anti-social, dangerous behavior. And it obviously titillates you.

  Oh, verily I am titillated, my good sir. Driving at breakneck speeds in a fast, sexy car appeals to my impulsive, adolescent sensibilities.
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  witnessess are NOT members of the WT Society - Caymen News

  by Will Power in

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  http://www.caymannetnews.com/cgi-script/csarticles/articles/000041/004145.htm .

  letter to the editor .

  no such thing as 'watchtower' teachings .

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  This is one area that made me wonder what was going on in "the truth."

  GB member Splaine chastised people for still using the phrase "The Society's literature." Instead, he suggested that we should call it "Our Christian literature." I also noticed that instead of saying in a footnote, "...published by the WTB&TS," it'll now say "...published by Jehovah's Witnesses."

  They are clearly trying to separate themselves from the literature in the minds of the r&f, so that to the witnessee doesn't hear any mention of this "Society." Why would the Society be trying to distance itself from the average person? Shouldn't they be proud supporters of the literature they publish? I say it's an attempt to avoid any more liability.
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  In regard to barhopping, consider the following scriptural reference to words of Jesus himself and then ask yourself where "confirmed drunkards" would be... in a bar or in a Kingdom Hall? Where would the "fellow slaves" be found - in a bar or in a Kingdom Hall? Who really are the evil slaves? Where might they be found and would they be building up their "fellow slaves" or publicly criticizing them?*

  Funny thing about that. I know personally of two "confirmed drunkards" in my hall who aren't baptized yet. Of the two, one's drinking has caused him to get in trouble with the law, so it really is a problem. Yet, the elders know this and can do nothing against him because he isn't baptized. But once a person gets baptized, he can be set up for shunning, and that's why this kid won't take the plunge.

  Why should baptism be such a frightening thing to this kid? He doesn't want to do it because knows he can be cut off from friends he's known all his life if he signs up. If we told people about that when we tried to study with them, how would that impact the conversion rate?
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  Is This Man Certifiably Insane #2

  by hillary_step in

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  http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2851488008488190547&q=drive+paris .

  before certain posters leap to their feet and dribble spittle down their forelocks, i do not think this man insane as i have actually seen seventy year old men on bicycles drive through the streets of paris at this speed while smoking the draft papers of president bush rolled up tightly in dick's cheney... hs .

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  You've got to be freaking kidding me, Sirnose. What the hell is cool about this whole thing? Pure ego. "Look what I can do, look how close I can come to killing lots of people"

  Well look, there's no way a guy could pull that off where I live. He made it through the whole run without getting 5-0'd, which I respect.

  Secondly, I've spent countless hours playing racing games where you do the same thing, so seeing this guy pull it off on real streets is impressive. It was ballsy and brilliant!
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  Is This Man Certifiably Insane #2

  by hillary_step in

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  http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2851488008488190547&q=drive+paris .

  before certain posters leap to their feet and dribble spittle down their forelocks, i do not think this man insane as i have actually seen seventy year old men on bicycles drive through the streets of paris at this speed while smoking the draft papers of president bush rolled up tightly in dick's cheney... hs .

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  That's a sick video, and the director even got arrested for it too. I can think of no cooler reason to get locked up, though.

  That F1 driver was immeasurably lucky that the streets were so empty.
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  Panhandlers piss me off!

  by Nosferatu in

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  yesterday, my brother and his son were in town visiting.

  me and the wife decided to go out and get some pizza to bring back for supper.. when we pulled up to the pizza shop, a guy came up to the car window and gave us his sob story about how he had cancer removed, how he refused to stay in the homeless shelter, and presented a stack of papers stapled together along with his mb health card.

  he asked for any change that we may have.

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  I'll admit at times I am a bleeding heart and I will give some change to people...

  But Lord help you if you catch me while I'm eating and in my car. I was eating a burger in my car with a friend when this guy comes up to my window. Not only was I eating, but I was on the phone too. I rolled up the window in his face. "Hey man, you don't have to treat me like an animal!" he shouted back.

  You've got bad timing, I thought. Had you waited until I was off the phone you would've had a chance at some change.
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  What little things get you upset?

  by JH in

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  i get upset very fast, if a product i use since years gets discontinued.

  gee, if the weatherman says it's 75 degrees outside and i know it's 80, i'll phone him and tell him to get a better thermometer or put glasses on.

  often i feel like writting to the mayor and ask him what is he waiting for to pave the streets of the whole city.

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  Getting hustled into going somewhere, buying something, or seeing some movie I didn't want.