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  2006 DC Pics see you again if not, then surely in paradise, ...

  by moomanchu in

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  it was a place, where paradise already existed.... is it just me or are jw,s getting crazier?.

  check out this site.

  http://www.raphaelbick.de/bilder/temp/frankfurt2006/.

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  SirNose586

  Dang, Pope! That one guy in the middle's a pimp!
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  Circuit Overseers

  by Outaservice in

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  our congregation had some of the best circuit overseers money could buy!.

  outaservice

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  I had some cool ones....good sense of humor, not jerks, etc. I've had some real weirdos. All I know is 'round my way, we get the frail ones, because the weather is so good to people.
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  "I want mercy, not sacrifice"

  by under_believer in

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  it's not a new thought, but it bears occasional repetition.

  repetition, you might say, for emphasis.. why is blood forbidden jw's?

  why are there laws and regulations that can cause a person, a child, a lover, a husband, a wife, a mother, a father, to die?.

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  Sadly, no dubs will apply this to the blood situation. They will sacrifice the child to the Borg. Perhaps they may score more brownie points with the leadership.
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  Artificial Insemination

  by noontide in

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  im a long time lurker, first time poster.

  my question is this; if a sister in the congregation decided she wanted to have a baby, but was not married and went to a fertility clinic and was artificially inseminated, could she be disfellowshiped?

  she didnt have sex, so she did not commit fornication.

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  SirNose586

  Here's the article.

  *** g93 3/8 pp. 26-27 Surrogate Motherhood—Is It for Christians? ***

  The Bible’s Viewpoint

  Surrogate Motherhood—Is It for Christians?THE ancient Roman poet Horace knew nothing of surrogate motherhood when he wrote: "It is of no consequence of what parents a man is born, so he be a man of merit." The 17th-century French writer’s maxim, "Birth is nothing where virtue is not," was also penned long before the concept of surrogate birth became a legal quagmire. But, as Mary Thom reported in Ms. magazine, with new reproductive technology, "the functions of producer of the egg, incubator of the fetus-becoming-baby, and caretaker of the baby once born" may be divided among two or three "mothers." The question of "virtue" and "consequence" has become both ambiguous and complex.

  The practice of using surrogate mothers burst onto the world scene during the mid-1970’s, raising social, moral, and legal problems not faced before. Some infertile couples were eager to take advantage of this nontraditional mode of reproduction. On the other hand, doctors, lawyers, and legislators have struggled to keep up with the expanding fertility technology in an effort to set guidelines that address the ethical and moral questions raised.What Is Surrogate Motherhood?Surrogate, or contract, motherhood is having an artificially inseminated woman bear a child for another woman. So-called traditional surrogacy occurs when the surrogate mother is impregnated through artificial insemination with the sperm of the husband from the couple who have contracted with her. The surrogate is thus the genetic mother of the baby. Gestational surrogacy means that the wife’s egg and the husband’s sperm are united outside the womb in a process known as in-vitro (test-tube) fertilization, and the resulting embryo is placed in the surrogate’s uterus for gestation.

  Why the rise in surrogate motherhood? For one thing, high-tech science has discovered several ways to help women have babies. Couples may desperately want a child, yet because of infertility, inconvenience, or too few healthy babies for adoption, they cannot have one. So they rent another person’s body to have a baby. Since large sums of money are involved, surrogacy has been described in unflattering terms, such as "involuntary servitude and slavery" and "strip-mining the fertility of the poor."

  In the United States, the New Jersey Supreme Court recognized the potential for the rich to exploit the poor and in a surrogacy case stated: "There are, in short, values that society deems more important than granting to wealth whatever it can buy, be it labor, love, or life." The Supreme Court of France stated that surrogate motherhood violates a woman’s body and that "the human body is not lent out, is not rented out, is not sold."Problems With SurrogacySurrogacy brings a number of problems. One is the potential for ugly legal battles if the woman who gives birth wants to keep the baby. Whose baby is it, the woman who gives birth or the woman who provides the egg? So the birth of a child, usually a time of joy, sometimes leads to a courtroom battle. Another problem: Some women who agree to become surrogate mothers find their feelings changing with the development and birth of the contracted child. The contract laid out some months earlier becomes harder and harder to accept. A powerful bonding relationship is being formed between the mother and the baby inside her. One surrogate mother, not anticipating this bonding, explains her feelings about giving up the baby: "It was as if somebody had died. My body was crying out for my daughter."

  Also, what long-term effects might such a birth have on the surrogate’s other children, the family that accepts the baby, and the child itself? Or what will happen if a child born by a surrogate mother has a birth defect? Is the father obliged to take the baby? If not, who pays for the child’s support? And an even more important question, What is God’s view of surrogate motherhood?Does Surrogate Motherhood Honor Marriage?God’s Word tells us that he looks upon marriage as something sacred. For example, Hebrews 13:4 states: "Let marriage be honorable among all, and the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge fornicators and adulterers." God expects all Christians to consider marriage honorable and to keep it that way. What defiles marriage? Fornication, which can dishonor marriage in advance, and adultery, which dishonors marriage after it has been entered into.

  Does surrogate motherhood honor marriage and keep the marriage bed undefiled? Simply put, no. Traditional surrogacy requires the insemination of the woman by donor sperm. The Bible’s view may be found at Leviticus 18:20, which says: "You must not give your emission as semen to the wife of your associate to become unclean by it." There is no Biblical basis for making a distinction between insemination by intercourse and insemination artificially by donor implantation. Therefore, in either case, fornication or adultery is committed when insemination is accomplished by a male other than the woman’s legal husband.

  What about gestational surrogacy? This too defiles the marriage bed. True, the fertilized egg would be a union of the husband and his wife, but it is thereafter placed in the womb of another woman and, in fact, makes her pregnant. This pregnancy is not the result of sexual relations between the surrogate woman and her own husband. Thus, her reproductive organs are now being used by someone other than her own mate. This is inconsistent with the Bible’s moral principles that a woman bear a child for her own husband. (Compare Deuteronomy 23:2.) It would not be proper for a man other than the surrogate’s own husband to make use of her reproductive organs. It is an improper use of the marriage bed. Thus, surrogate motherhood is not for Christians.

  The Old Testament--what would the GB do without it??
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  Is 2006 the new *1975* for the Society?

  by truthseeker in

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  think about it - never in the history of the society have there been so many changes, annoucements and campaigns than in 2006. only in 1975, could the mass hysteria of the imminent end of the world be said to equal or surpass this year's activity.. what has been the case this year?.

  1) mass lay-off of hundreds of bethelites.

  2) awake!

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  Most businesses hype the product. With the Watch Tower Society, "hype" IS the product. What we are seeing is hyping the hype. The literature is all like the current Kingdom News. I read that Kingdom News 4 times and it asks questions, makes implications, uses innuendo, but it doesn't actually say one single thing.

  What a sham, I say. They didn't even say when false religion was going to get the boot! They just said "soon" without suggesting a date, or providing any evidence. What a tease.
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  Higher Education: Is The Issue Really That Important?

  by Warlock in

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  the catholics think they have the true religion, but they don't discourage higher education.. the protestants think they have the true religion, but they don't discourage higher education.. the j.w.

  's think they have the true religion, but yet they do discourage higher education.. why?

  do they really think there would be a mass exodus from the org.

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  Another reason why the bOrg doesn't like higher education: you might have a promising career that leaves you with no time or desire to peddle magazines and books to complete strangers.
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  Concerning the big announcement in September

  by truthseeker in

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  a little while back i posted a topic on a supposedly shocking announcement that was to be made in september, which is just over a week away.. i have nothing new to add, suffice to say that gary1914 posted an interesting comment that he heard from his relative, a district overseer... .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/115450/4.ashx.

  i was at the kingdom hall tonight and i went through all the recent boe letters just to make sure that i didn't miss one, because sometimes i do.

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  Sir Nose,

  The Special Campaign is only a month long - does that mean that all false religion will be destroyed by mid October?

  This campaign will run its course and peter out. A year from now it will be a memory. Five years from now it will be a distant memory by which time we will have Kingdom News #38, "False Religion's End Is Near."

  If the Borg says it's going to happen, then it must, right?? They should know better than anyone else.

  People will forget, most definitely. That's why I want remind people that we did this 10 years ago.
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  How Many JW's Does It Take To 'Change A Lightbulb'?

  by Outaservice in

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  SirNose586

  Nine people.

  One to lead the Lightbulb Changing Committee.

  One to begrudgingly buy the lightbulb. This person eventually makes up an excuse to leave, though.

  Two to volunteer to change it so they can look good for the leader of the committee.

  One to give hugs to everybody and take pictures of the event.

  Three more to stand around and talk to the person who takes pictures while...

  One person actually changes the lightbulb. The leader and the two who volunteered get the credit, though.
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  Concerning the big announcement in September

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a little while back i posted a topic on a supposedly shocking announcement that was to be made in september, which is just over a week away.. i have nothing new to add, suffice to say that gary1914 posted an interesting comment that he heard from his relative, a district overseer... .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/115450/4.ashx.

  i was at the kingdom hall tonight and i went through all the recent boe letters just to make sure that i didn't miss one, because sometimes i do.

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  If they're trying to pump people up, then their strategy is already working. Folks in my book study got their KMs and were going, "Oh, the end must be so close! Look at this new campaign!"
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  Invite your JW relatives to your 'worldly' wedding

  by Honesty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this from a pro-jw website:.

  non jw bride-to-be:.

  i recently learned that my jw grandmother and dad's jw family will not be attending the wedding portion of my wedding because it is a church of another faith.

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  It really is different in Liberal Dub-land. I've attended a cousin's wedding in a Baptist church with my fam.