Posts by Hoping4Change

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WHO WROTE THE BIBLE??? RESPONSE TO THE NEW PUBLICATION.

by whereami in

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friends

for those whow believe god authored the bible , this info will make you question your faith.

very well done.. i would love to see how the wts would respond to this, especially after the new publication on the bible was just released at the convention.. maybe one of our inhouse scholars (narkissos/leolia) can back up this info.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2061773048178434620&hl=en.

Hoping4Change

There are a number of DVD courses by Bart Ehrman available here: http://www.teach12.com/storex/courses.aspx?t=&sl=&s=909&fMode=s&sbj=Religion . I know the prices seem steep, but you may wish to actually call the places about pricing or keep an eye on the web site, as they frequently have sales for their courses at a fraction of the list price. I've got a number of courses from them and I've liked them.

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What happens if you show up at the DC with no badge?

by JeffT in

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friends

i'm thinking of going to one this summer to research an article i want to write.

back in my time anybody could just walk in, but some recent threads sound like that might be hard to do.

i'm also going to try to get a local paper to give me one time press credentials.

Hoping4Change

Something to consider; the audio of the convention may be simulcast on the radio so if you were concerned about going in, just get close enough to listen to it on the radio. As others have said though, dress nicely, dont make a scene or spectacle and likely no one will even look your way.

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Wow a great Calgary Herald article - "Looking for high drama..." About Hughes lawsuit

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/blood+money+injustice/1576415/story.html.

by juliet guichon, dr. ian mitchell and michael duggan, for the calgary herald.

if you are looking for high drama that hollywood might one day package and sell, you need go no further than downtown calgary's transcanada pipelines tower at 10 o'clock this morning, when the court of appeal will convene.. .

Hoping4Change

bttt

One can only hope the best for him. As the article states, this is indeed a story waiting to be told/documented on film for mass public consumption; win or lose.

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PDF w/174 WBTS scans comparing lies and revisions of JW "truth"...limited time only!!!

by middleman in

hello, here's a pdf that was put together comparing many of the lies within the society's publications.

i will have the link up for a limited time and afterwards it will be available by request-send me an email and leave yours.

this is part one (141 pages) of two (perhaps a third) in the series being made.

Hoping4Change

This collection of material is remarkable! Can not wait for part two! I would think (should it be so desired), that this could be turned into a book to be published (and sitting on book shelves at major book stores) as a religious critique of the WTBTS.

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How can I help my wife to get out

by Albert Einstein in

i am fading out after 18 years in jw cult (pioneer, ms, elder etc ...).

my wife was born in jw family, very strong family bonds, very loyal to jw.

at home we can talk pretty open, but she is so blindfolded, so loyal, not willing to admitt jw could be totally wrong... is there any chance to help her step by step?

Hoping4Change

One of the best eye opening things that can have some good effects has nothing to do directly with WT material or teachings and that is to watch movies/documentaries that include situations that show social injustices. Documentaries/movies about cults and/or histories of affected peoples (e.g, African-Americans, Native Americans) can turn on a light bulb when it is seen that some of the same reasoning/argumentation used for the repression of peoples and/or thought is used by JWs to justify their position and behavior towards others.

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I just sent an email to the governing body

by Awakened at Gilead in

i sent a link to my new video and told them that they were featured in it.

i hope this induces mass hysteria at the tower office.. i guessed the addresses, and i haven't gotten any error messages.

so if you want to send a message to the gb or anyone else, the address should be:.

Hoping4Change

"Try to telnet but to port 25 instead"

Uhh ya I did. its shut.

I was just able to get open connections and an esmtp response from both mx1 and mx2. The response looks like this: 220 mx1.jw.org ESMTP Postfix / 220 mx2.jw.org ESMTP Postfix (italics mine) It sits and waits an SMTP command. (typically a HELO of EHLO command to begin a transaction)

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I just sent an email to the governing body

by Awakened at Gilead in

i sent a link to my new video and told them that they were featured in it.

i hope this induces mass hysteria at the tower office.. i guessed the addresses, and i haven't gotten any error messages.

so if you want to send a message to the gb or anyone else, the address should be:.

Hoping4Change

ahhh did an nslookup on jw.org. mail is mx1.jw.org. Telnet is shut. cant test

email servers typically listen on port 25, telnet by default is port 23. Try to telnet but to port 25 instead

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JW E-MAIL REGARDING ORIGINS OF CHRISTMAS

by whereami in

jw
friends

email said we sould use this at the door for futher support on the evils of christmas.. .

http://tellingthetruth.50webs.com/4-4.html

Hoping4Change

I brought up the site and killed it. I didn't like the message asking me if I would allow this site to access my Windows clipboard. There's no valid reason for any web site to try to do this.

Good idea. Check out "Clipboard hijacking" (although at least the site asked)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1733

http://ithreats.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/clipboard-hijacking-swf-poc/

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What exactly was the proper food at the proper time?

by Hoping4Change in

forgetting (and forgiving for the sake of discussion) all of the changes, mistakes and errors between the teachings from the late 1800's to 1920 by the bible students, what exactly was the "proper food" being dispensed during the "proper time" when jesus supposedly made his choice of this group of people to be the sole harbringers of truth?

i am assuming all of those changes/mistakes/errors, of course were not proper food, so what were the things being taught during jesus's selection that led him to select the bible students?

is there anything truly unique (and correct/accurate/proper) that can be claimed by the bible students during that time period that could warrant jesus' choice?.

Hoping4Change

leavingwt - Great graphic! Thanks!

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What exactly was the proper food at the proper time?

by Hoping4Change in

forgetting (and forgiving for the sake of discussion) all of the changes, mistakes and errors between the teachings from the late 1800's to 1920 by the bible students, what exactly was the "proper food" being dispensed during the "proper time" when jesus supposedly made his choice of this group of people to be the sole harbringers of truth?

i am assuming all of those changes/mistakes/errors, of course were not proper food, so what were the things being taught during jesus's selection that led him to select the bible students?

is there anything truly unique (and correct/accurate/proper) that can be claimed by the bible students during that time period that could warrant jesus' choice?.

Hoping4Change

the typical response would be that the bible students were the only people "seeking the truth" and they were chosen because they had the right heart condition. I have heard this many times before and even within the past few weeks!
You tell this to a dub and they will totally eat that up! they wont question for a second that the scripture says NOTHING about heart condition. It says "proper food at the proper time".
JW's will claim that the fundamental doctrines were in place - no trinity, no hell fire, no immortality of the soul (except for 144k) to this day this seems to be the mantra of the WTS. This "Trinity" of Russelite truths is still referred to as the main difference between JW's and christendom. What the JW's neglect to realize is the while what they DONT believe with respects to these 3 items hasnt changed - what they DO BELIVE has changed substantially.
Also that Russel was using Pyramidology, Phrenology, Astrology, and Millerite/Adventist types & anit-types to prove his beliefs may not enter their minds either.
So you ask "what was the proper food they were teaching"? - good question. When you figure it out let us know!

Thanks for the response. It would seem to be nothing but pure arrogance that would drive one to actually believe that they were the only people 'seeking the truth'; people sought the truth long before and continue to do so, the Bible Students / JWs I'd like to hear an explanation from a JW here why, supossing just for a moment, that the 'trinity of truths" listed is indeed %100 correct, why those 3 items would be enough for Jesus to choose them over others. Why can't trinitarians be wrong yet not receive the mercy of Jehovah or Christ when judgement comes, just as JW's must expect some mercy for all of the errors/mistakes they have made? Can any practicing JW's explain this to me? I suppose I could go to one of their forums and ask, but having seen what goes on on them, it seems that asking the hard questions always gets ignored, danced around, or ridiculed.