Posts by elatwra

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Spiritual Resurrection?

by Morocco in

hey everybody, i'm still pretty new here but have been lurking about the boards for sometime.

i just had a thought and was wondering what you guys think about it.

it was actually inspired by another thread, but it has to do with the resurrection.

elatwra

I think it is definitely speaking about litarally dead people and it might be refering to Mathew 27:50-53

50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. 51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people

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He causes to become - No more

by LtCmd.Lore in

correct me if i'm wrong but the last time the society has used the phrase 'he causes to become' was in 2004, in a review.

it's not even mentioned in the bible teach book... which has an appendix about what gods name is and means, it says it means: i shall become whatsoever i chose.

have they changed their minds about the meaning of gods name?

elatwra

or they are trying really hard to come up with a translation different than the septuagint and typical bible translation "I am" so when Jesus said "I am" and people tried to stone him J-dubs do not make the connection with God's name.

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False "Reasoning from the Scriptures" (all rights reserved)

by yaddayadda in

the reasoning from the scriptures book lists 7 criteria for determining which religion is right?

putting aside for the moment the assumption in the societys question, that there is only one right religion, which 3 of the societys criteria do you think are the weakest and which 3 are the strongest, and why?

(those who dont believe that the bible is gods word please try and suspend your disbelief when answering) .

elatwra

Wow, great posts. Please keep the "reasoning from the scriptures" topics coming.

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Torture stake not cross!!!

by kgav8r in

jw
friends

i'm going to try to word this carefully so that we may all understand.

the writers of the bible used a word that the wts interprets as stake.

if this word does indeed mean stake, then what word should the bible writers have used to mean cross if it is not the word the wts interprets as stake?

elatwra

warning: gruesome description below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impalement

"Impalement is an act of torture and/or execution whereby the victim is pierced by a long stake. The penetration can be through the sides, from the rectum, or possibly through the mouth. The stake would be usually planted in the ground, leaving the victim hanging to die. In addition, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus Christ was nailed through the hands and feet to an upright pale and also describe this form of execution as impalement."

Funny how the wikipedia writers put it:Jehovah's witnesses "believe" (as in exersise faith) - not jehovah's witnesses discovered, or have further proof or anything like that, just believe this word to mean something else.

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If there is no hell what is this?

by Rooster in

"but a certain man was rich, and he used to deck himself with purple and linen, enjoying himself from day to day with magnificence.

but a certain beggar named laz arus used to be put at his gate, full of ulcers 21

and desiring to be filled with the things dropping from the table of the rich man.

elatwra

In Jeremiah 7:31 god is reprimanding Judah for sacrifising their children (instead of lambs or the traditional animal sacrifices)and then a judgement and punishment is profecied for this practise. I m not sure that I understand the connection with the passages discussing hell.Some help please?

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If there is no hell what is this?

by Rooster in

"but a certain man was rich, and he used to deck himself with purple and linen, enjoying himself from day to day with magnificence.

but a certain beggar named laz arus used to be put at his gate, full of ulcers 21

and desiring to be filled with the things dropping from the table of the rich man.

elatwra

I think you are right.It seems that the Bible points to a literal hell. And the story of Lazarus is suported by more scripture in Mark and Revelation.

42 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' F40 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 46 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' F41 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire-- 48 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' F42 49 "For everyone will be seasoned with fire, F43 and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt. 50 Salt is good, but if the salt loses its flavor, how will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace with one another." Mark 9:42-49

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where F108 the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:10

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. F110 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 10:13, 14

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Trinity - HELP!!!

by Hamboozled in

since being in the jw org for close to 35 years (from infant) and recently leaving i have been studying topics like the trinity because i was never allowed to before.

i'm getting so many mixed reviews from the scriptures of whether the trinity is possible or impossible.

" and john 1:18 "no one has ever seen god, but god the one and only, who is at the father's side, has made him known.

elatwra

In support of the trinity:

Mathew 1:23They shall call his name Immanuel which is translated "God with us"

Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a child was born, unto us a son is given and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor,Mighty God, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace

John 8:58 Most assuredly I say to you before Abraham was born born I am.

Zachariah 12:10(Jehovah speaking) they will look on me whom they pierced, yes they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only son.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD (Jehovah) the king of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts:"O am the first I am the Last Besides me there is no God"

Revelation 1:8 I am the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come the Almighty

Revelation 22:13 (Jesus speaking) I the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end the first and the last.

Acts 4:10 (peter speaking) let it be known to you all and to the people of Israel, that by the name 0of Jesus Christ of nazareth, whom you crucified whom God raised from the dead by him this man stands before you whole.This is the stone which was rejected by you builders which has become the chief cornerstone.Nor is there salvation in any other under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

there is more but i don't have them handy right now. i hope this helps your search.

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Lets go to the church but stand outside

by Wordly Andre in

i am so sick of this!

i have a split family, some non-jw and some jw, and ever since i was a young kid, ive noticed this silly fear of entering a church, i remember i must have been about 9 years old when my uncle died and my family went to the funeral, but we stood outside, and even at that young age i remember it felt wrong, like we were disrespecting my dead uncle and his family.

like ive wrote on this board before, i told my parents when at 15 i didnt want to go to meetings anymore and was never baptized, when i was 18 my great uncle died and at the funeral i went into the church for mass, when it was over i walked outside all the rest of my family were outside waiting, they all gave me dirty looks like i was just caught with a prostitute.

elatwra

Well they say that it would displease Jehovah if you attended a church but the real reason has to be that they worry that the witnesses will like the other church better and start going there. They might like the liturgy, or the sermon. They might find out that other churches too believe the world will end and that they are not the ones with exclusive rights to Jesus millenial reign.

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Meddling mother

by meems1000 in

i've posted a few times on this site but really just like to read the posts.. i wanted to know if anyone can tell me about a book for teens that the dubs have.

my mother gave it to my 13 year old son and i'm really angry.

i have made it very clear i want nothing to do with those people and do not want my children exposed to it.

elatwra

wow, that is the sort of thing that would really upset me if somebody tried that with my kids.I feel your frustration.

Does your son understand why you have no interest to be involved with the Jehovah's witnesses? You can explain that you are not upset because grandma gave him a book behind your back but because of what that book represents, an invitation to a religion that is closeminded and oppressive and what that religion did to you personaly. ( Mention the no birthday, no christmas, rules-that would squash any interest in JWism if I were a 13 yr old)

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What outward signs of apostacy are evident in your house?

by AK - Jeff in

if the elders came and inspected your home - what would they find?.

a casual look around reveals a box of "narnia" tissues on my desk, 12 or 14 non-witness translations of bibles on my shelves, many non approved novels [wifey's] on the reading table, plenty of 'apostate literature', a book or two on meditation, a hypnosis cd for weight loss, prob many toys that are not witness approved in the g-kids room, a half eaten birthday cake, a birthday balloon, xmas wrapping paper in the closet , a couple of r rated movies, music that is not acceptable.. that is just at first blush.

how is your house?

elatwra

So,quick question-I do not mean to change the subject, the Narnia books are something the witnesses are allowed to read????