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  Suicide and JW'S

  by obiwan in

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  2. experiences

  i have personally had experience with this.

  a long time friend committed suicide because of her husband and the problems they were having.

  he abused her and ended up leaving her, the elders wouldn't help out much stating that it was a marital problem.. she couldn't cope with him leaving, she was extremely dependant on him, she felt the only way out was suicide.

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  Dede,
  Your mama was a beautiful lady and you do resemble her very much. I have a sister who is dark haired and eyes with an olive complexion while I'm a blue eyed blonde, yet we look alike. People can always tell that we are sisters. It is in the bone structure, I think. You have your mama's georgeous bone structure too and maybe the shape of her eyes and smile. I'm sorry that you lost so much precious time without her. She'd be so proud of you, Dede because I think that your mama knew somewhere in her heart that the jw's weren't the truth but she didn't have proof and she was probably scared to leave. The wt abuses and harms it's people so badly that they all end up either depressed or with panic attacks, etc. and then the doctors give out the med's which sometimes cause more harm than good. I wish so much for you to know how proud and happy for you that your mama would be. You have freed her grandbabies from a terrible fate. Poor beautiful lady, she would have been welcomed here and she would have known that she wan't alone in the world of pain and fear that the wt causes. I know that she is loved and receiving comfort now. I just know it. You seem to have her beauty inside too. love, dj
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  He died on a cross

  by ClassAvenger in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do any of you ex-jehovah witnesses still believe that jesus died on a stake, or a cross?

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  Here is a link to a research paper done by a poster named Leolaia. http://www.stanford.edu/~sarahjr/jwcross.pdf

  All of these minor details really don't matter but imho it is best to have an understanding of what you believe so that you are armed, so to speak.... and your mind is settled. love, dj
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses: Locusts From the Abyss?

  by miner in

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  2. bible

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  http://www.megspace.com/religion/museltof/1jws.html

  i suspect this has been posted before, but if you haven't seen it, it's worth a look.... .

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  Only the watchtower could take Rev. 9 and twist it until it is so disfigured and then claim it to be a good thing to be a plague (woe) from the bottomless pit whose sole reason for knocking on doors is to harm people by torturing them. Take note that they (locusts) cannot harm anyone who already has the seal of God, which is the Holy Spirit (Eph). Also notice that the locusts cannot kill but only torture. That is the same limitation that satan had on him when he went to harm Job. Because of their lie that Jesus is an angel, they have managed to align Him with the demons and their king, Abaddon. Next time a jw darkens your door tell them that you don't want to be tortured or harmed and ask them why on earth they let themselves be tortured and harmed by the witnesses that converted them. Ask them why they did not put on the armor of God and win. When they tell you that they didn't have the seal of the holy spirit then, remind them that they were harmed by the locust plague that came to their door and then joined in on it. This is not the good news now, is it?
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  Do demons flee from the name of God?

  by ClassAvenger in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  alright, i need a question answered, if possible with bible versicles.

  do demons flee when someone pronounces god's name, jehovah?

  i know this is a belief from the jws, but i don't know on what it is founded, or if it is.

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  CA,

  Yes, they teach that by calling on the name of Jehovah demons will flee. I don't think that a true believer in Christ can be overtaken by demons. If the holy spirit resides in you...demons can't penetrate. The problem that witnesses have with demons is evidence of the lack of the spirit of God. love, dj
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  John 1:1 - A "Sacred Secret" Revealed

  by AGuest in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  may you all have peace!.

  i had opportunity yesterday, to peruse the thread entitled, "john 1:1 - good information" and there were some very... ummmm... "intriguing" responses.

  some were very close to what is true; others, pure speculation.

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  Aguest,

  Jesus is the hymen? You are an outrage. Noko believes it too.......oh well I'm done here.
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  Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

  on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

  in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

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  Amac,
  I understand your thinking but we have to remember that the mom was under the mind influence of fear and in a cult. The same goes for the elders. I don't know what ti think about the wt...That's why, I feel that the so-caled ecclesiastical (SP) privelge should never be used to cover up a crime! That is where the governments need to step up to the plate and make it a LAW to report all suspected criminal activity to the police. I am not saying that the elders and parents are not accountable but the law needs to be there for not only the Catholic priests and the jw's but for all religions who claim to obey the laws of the land. Why isn't it?
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  Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

  on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

  in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

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  HS

  I suppose that I could do that but wouldn't interest others to see just how SOJ can agree with my post above and then still be able to disgree with others who are saying the same thing? I feel that it would be an interesting discusion for all who have been affected by the molestation policy. How can SOJ agree and still somehow disagree? Wouldn't that give us a clue as to the thought process of the jw elders who know in their hearts that it's wrong but continue to blindly obey the wt or possibly even reveal to us just what in the heck the watchtower is really teaching them. Was soj engaging in theocratic lying warfare or what?
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  Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

  on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

  in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

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  THIS IS THE POST THAT SOJ AGREES WITH :

  SOJ,

  I understand that there will always be criminals and victims until Jesus returns but the point that I was trying to make was for the prevention of new victims. When the elders forgive a confessed and seemingly repentant child molester without submitting him to the authorities for appropriate actions that are determined by the criminal legal system to be appropriate for the crime.....they are in essence letting a molester free to molest again, maybe a different child and the cycle continues. There is a price to be paid for crimes which is for the good of not only the community but also for the chastening of the criminal and monitoring of his behavior in jail for his own good.The court system has considerations for remorseful criminals. This is God's legal arrangement in Romans 13. The molester has broken the laws of the land. The law to report or not is not the issue. The wt should see that obeying Romans 13 is more important than the lack of a law to report. The other responsibilty that the elders have to the community and their own flock is not to make judgements about who is telling the truth and who is not when it comes to a criminal act. They are not the police that God has arranged for the Christian to be obediant to. They are not the jury or the judge. Here is where they are out of bounds. Would an accused murderer of a child within the congregation be handled by the elders too? The answer is yes if one follows the two witness rule for crimes. It is clear that the two witness rule does not apply to crime but to other sin. Child molestation is a crime. The elders should be taught by the society to report all matters of possible crime to the proper governing authorities who are appointed by God. The elders should not have to carry that burden. It is wrong. The elders are given the authority by God within the flock to handle spiritual matters/sin not crimes.
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  Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

  on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

  in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

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  sorry, I double posted
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  Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

  on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

  in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

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  DJ:

  I am in agreement with your last post.---SOJ

  I think you might be interested in what exactly it was that SOJ agrees with me about. So scroll back and find the post that he agreed to! That way maybe you will see that he is not your average jw but a person who is trying to think but still in bondage by the watchtower. Of course he will say rude things...didn't you think that everyone was evil except JW's when you were one? We ought to be able to relate to SOJ's mindset because our past. Two wrongs do not make a right. I know that there are victims here but do you really expect a jw to agree with you when YOU know what they are taught about others//?? Yes, I am upset that I was getting somewhere with SOJ and emotional rude outbursts made him leave. I have been through my share of trauma's in my life b/c of the wt that you are not aware of BUT get a grip because angry outbursts with name calling isn't going to help matters at all. Trust me, been there and d done that and learned. We all have anger and emotions but try to restrain yourself because it only causes more harm than good in this situation. You are free to be emotional but right now it isn't helpful. Wouldn't you like to see SOJ free from the wt...how do you know that he wouldn't someday be helpful to your cases??? because he is obviously not a rank and file member. He has dealt with child abuse incidents and if you read what he says you may see that. I personally just want to see him free....period. Just as I want all the jw's to be free of the wt. love, dj