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  Creation/evolution debate - an interesting analogy

  by dmouse in

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  - from the institute for stork research and science.

  two different theories exist concerning the origin of children: the theory of sexual reproduction, and the theory of the stork.

  many people believe in the theory of sexual reproduction because they have been taught this theory at school.

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  dmouse

  Oh great! Like I'm supposed to actually believe you don't think it is all of them NOW ?

  Well, I haven't spoken to all of them to find out. You quite properly pointed out that I had made an unwarranted generalization, in the same sense that the label 'apostate' is used to 'tar all with the same brush'. I accept that.

  To add to your argument, imperfect souls (such as we) are even more likely to be in error!

  Do you accept, though, that labels such as 'extraterrestrial' have a commonly accepted meaning that acts as a linguistic shorthand, unless explicitly explained or known through context?

  I used the term 'scientific creationists' in that sense - of course there is nothing 'wrong' in being scientific, or creationist, or even scientific creationist if you are going to be literal about it.

  I suppose my 'target' if you want to call it that, is pseudo-science, non-science, misused science, misapplied science, distorted science etc.
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  Creation/evolution debate - an interesting analogy

  by dmouse in

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  2. friends

  - from the institute for stork research and science.

  two different theories exist concerning the origin of children: the theory of sexual reproduction, and the theory of the stork.

  many people believe in the theory of sexual reproduction because they have been taught this theory at school.

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  dmouse

  The theory of evolution is not contradictory to the concept of either direct or influenced creation.

  Many creationists would vehemently disagree with you there.

  Ok, in the interests of mitigating my generalisation how about I say some scientific creationists?
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  Creation/evolution debate - an interesting analogy

  by dmouse in

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  2. friends

  - from the institute for stork research and science.

  two different theories exist concerning the origin of children: the theory of sexual reproduction, and the theory of the stork.

  many people believe in the theory of sexual reproduction because they have been taught this theory at school.

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  dmouse

  Yes, Elsewhere, and the single sperm that resulted in you was only one chance in a million! Consider all the barriers and odds - the theory of sexual reproduction is also mathematically and statistically impossible!
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  Creation/evolution debate - an interesting analogy

  by dmouse in

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  2. friends

  - from the institute for stork research and science.

  two different theories exist concerning the origin of children: the theory of sexual reproduction, and the theory of the stork.

  many people believe in the theory of sexual reproduction because they have been taught this theory at school.

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  dmouse

  Well, I don't want to get into the whole 'oh yes it is, oh no it isn't' theory debate - that's been done to death already.

  What I found interesting is the premise that an obviously unscientific claim can be made to sound as if science supports it. This analogy (and analogies don't have to mirror their target EXACTLY) appears to use very similer thought processes and reasoning to those of scientific creationists.

  And, for the record, that above comment of mine is biased because I am an agnostic who accepts evolution as being more likely than other explanations.
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  Creation/evolution debate - an interesting analogy

  by dmouse in

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  2. friends

  - from the institute for stork research and science.

  two different theories exist concerning the origin of children: the theory of sexual reproduction, and the theory of the stork.

  many people believe in the theory of sexual reproduction because they have been taught this theory at school.

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  dmouse

  - from the Institute for Stork Research and Science
  Two different theories exist concerning the origin of children: the theory of Sexual reproduction, and the theory of the stork. Many people believe in the theory of sexual reproduction because they have been taught this theory at school. In reality, however, many of the world's leading scientists are in favor of the theory of the stork. If the theory of sexual reproduction is taught in schools, it must only be taught as a theory and not as the truth. Alternative theories, such as the theory of the stork, must also be taught.

  Evidence supporting the theory of the stork includes the following:

  1. It is a scientifically established fact that the stork does exist. This can be confirmed by every ornithologist.

  2. The alleged human fetal development contains several features that the theory of sexual reproduction is unable to explain.

  3. The theory of sexual reproduction implies that a child is approximately nine months old at birth. This is an absurd claim. Everyone knows that a newborn child is newborn.

  4. According to the theory of sexual reproduction, children are a result of sexual intercourse. There are, however, several well documented cases where sexual intercourse has not led to the birth of a child.

  5. Statistical studies in the Netherlands have indicated a positive correlation between the birth rate and the number of storks. Both are decreasing.

  6. The theory of the stork can be investigated by rigorous scientific methods. The only assumption involved is that children are delivered by the stork.
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  1914 ,the Generation that got tossed in the Garbage Can

  by OUTLAW in

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  as many of you know i`ve just got back to the board in the last little while..what did i learn yesterday?..the generation of 1914 means nothing..nothing!

  !..back in the day,you could have been disfellowshipped for such a remark..disfellowshipped!

  !..what did you think and how did you feel when you found out the generation of 1914,now means nothing?.....outlaw

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  dmouse

  I remember a few years before the generation change I was having a heated discussion with an elder - I told him that the generation teaching would have to change because time was running out. He said that this was impossible - it was in the bible and that couldn't be changed.

  A few years later I had the satisfaction of telling him 'I told you so!' but all he said was 'nothing has changed', after all the Nov 1995 Watchtower article goes on to say:

  "Does our more precise viewpoint on "this generation" mean that Armageddon is further away than we had thought? Not at all!
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  Good news: No longer an elder; Bad news: Disappointed wife

  by doinmypart in

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  my wife & i have a good relationship except when it comes to things dealing with the wts.

  over the past few years we've both made concessions, and i even made some headway in getting her to think about some things.

  but from time-to-time we would end up arguing about something wts-related and there would be days of tension between us.. well, a few weeks ago we were having a casual conversation about wildlife in our area, she mentioned something about jehovah ruining those who ruin the earth.

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  dmouse

  Feeling your pain dude...

  From a personal point of view, my wife accepted my 'falling away' for a few years, perhaps thinking I'd come back - 'see the light' again or whatever. But that only lasts a maximun of 1-2 years, then they give up hoping and view you as dead.

  Even so, my wife, (like many other 'unbelieving mates' I've heard about) was happy to stay with me in the long term. However what really settled it for us was the fact that my children took my side, leaving the faith themselves - so from my wife's point of view I was a child murderer, and she couldn't live with me after that. In the end, for our own sanity, I had no choice but to leave her (even though I loved, and still love, her).

  Be a good husband, love her, maybe one day she will see the light. Maybe she won't.

  Can you live a lie? I know I couldn't, so be comfortable with your decision and accept the consequences. Ain't no easy answers or way out dude...
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  OMG CARPAL TUNNEL

  by mama1119 in

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  i have "pregnancy induced" carpal tunnel and i don;t believe i have ever felt so much pain.

  i used to think people that claimed carpal tunnel were a bunch of wussys, i was wrong.

  it hurts very very badly.

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  dmouse

  I had it for quite a while - especially at night, my hands would go dead.

  Believe it or not, I gained substantial relief from rosehip extract supplements.

  http://www.althealth.co.uk/services/info/supplements/rosehip.php
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  NEW TRACT

  by stillajwexelder in

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  sorry if posted elsewhere.

  the new tract (kingdom news 37) was released last night.

  letter read to congregation.

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  dmouse

  Perhaps they are aware that people recognise their trademark bookbags and want to be in disguise, to catch folks unawares!

  Anyway, it's not new:

  October 2000 KM:

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  simplepresentationisallthatisneeded.Youmightsay:

  · "I have volunteered my time to help distribute this very important message to every family in [name of city or county]. This is your copy. Please read it." It may be advantageous not to carry a witnessing case when distributing KingdomNews No. 36.

  Are the Society being hypocritical?:

  Awake 1992 Sept 22 p.14

  Jehovah therefore rejects the prayers of those who lead a double life, hypocritically ‘hiding what they are.’ (Psalm 26:4) He listens only to one who is "walking faultlessly and practicing righteousness and speaking the truth in his heart."

  Compare:

  True peace and security book – page 111

  Many persons commonly conceal truth or speak only what they believe will further their own ends. Though this is viewed as normal in the world, that does not make it right.

  There is good reason for being honest. Nothing undermines peace and security more than a failure to be honest at all times
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  Anyone seen these?

  by bagpuss in

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  saw this driving through a village in sussex.

  anyone else seen them and what reaction do you think it would get from jws.

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  dmouse

  We can only see a red X - you need to upload the image to the internet first.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/24/120692/1.ashx