Pubsinger - shouldn't that be a Minstrel servant then?
dmouse? well, I used to love a cartoon hero called Dangermouse when I was a kid and my initials are DM which used to be on his T-shirt.
there are some really weird and interesting names on this site.
just out of interest, lets swap details of how we selected our chosen "stage name", it could be fun!.
i chose "englishman" when i first started to lurk at h20.
Pubsinger - shouldn't that be a Minstrel servant then?
dmouse? well, I used to love a cartoon hero called Dangermouse when I was a kid and my initials are DM which used to be on his T-shirt.
when a difficulty is deep and painful, the triumph is glorious and jubilant.. -spartacus 2001
You only fail when you stop trying.
questions from readers.
is it scriptural to trim nose hair?.
a christian is governed by conscience.
LOL! Excellent!
Ranks alongside those classic Awake articles: 'Drinking Straws: How safe are they?' and 'Training Shoes: Are they for you?'
More!
my wife is still a loyal dub, and i allow her to take my son (13 years) and daughters (9 & 11) to the meetings, assemblies and on the service.
i cannot talk to her about her beliefs because, well, she refuses to talk about them.
she knows that i no longer believe, but not much in the way of detail.
Thanks, everyone, for your input. It is very encouraging. Sometimes when we make a stand we feel all alone but then a quick post here shows that we are never alone in standing up to the Borg. That’s what gives some of those who have left the strength to continue, and again highlights the value of boards like this.
The elder was due to come round tonight to prepare the part with my son. After I said that I would not allow him to take part in it my wife rang the PO who rang the elder to tell him not to come round. I was quite prepared to stand my ground with either of them and explain why I object to this discouraging of further education. My wife and son seem ok now but I wonder if there will be any repercussions from the elders; they might see me as a threat to my family’s ‘spiritual’ well being.
my wife is still a loyal dub, and i allow her to take my son (13 years) and daughters (9 & 11) to the meetings, assemblies and on the service.
i cannot talk to her about her beliefs because, well, she refuses to talk about them.
she knows that i no longer believe, but not much in the way of detail.
My wife is still a loyal Dub, and I allow her to take my son (13 years) and daughters (9 & 11) to the meetings, assemblies and on the service. I cannot talk to her about her beliefs because, well, she refuses to talk about them. She knows that I no longer believe, but not much in the way of detail. Anyway, my son has been invited to take part in a service meeting part tomorrow. I had a quick look at the information, about choosing a suitable career. It is the middle part of a three-week symposium and the information is basically a big downer on further education. My son is very bright and I anticipate him going to university when he is old enough. Then comes this crap – don’t go to university become a pioneer instead, if you don’t then you are spiritually weak. I’m afraid I lost it then, and have forbidden my son to take part in this irresponsible nonsense. Have I done the right thing? Will I alienate him by my actions?
I feel so strongly about this issue that I could not just sit by and let my son be polluted even further by this BS.
Dean.
does anyone who has left the organisation still feel that these are the last days?
all down through history people have wanted to feel that they live in special times - are jws just an extension of this?
for me the biggest problem with this theory of the last days has been the distinct lack of earthquakes since 1914, a quote from the book signs of the times revisited says "as more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes can be and have been located.
No, these are not the last days. The so called 'signs' mentioned in the bible, if they can be used to warn that the end is imminent (and there is a good argument for believing that, in Matthew, Jesus was saying 'look, there will be earthquakes, famines etc, but these are always happening, they are NOT a sign of the end), have not increased unduly in the last few generations.
As for earthquakes, check out what the National Earthquake Information Centre says about the perceived increase at:
http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/general/handouts/increase_in_earthquakes.html
FAMINE. If we look at the numbers of food-poor people in the world today, it could be argued that famine is on the increase because, in absolute terms, there are as many hungry people now as in previous times. Depending on your perspective, this may be viewed as stagnation, but not worsening, because in the last forty years, the proportion of hungry people in the world has diminished by over a half, from 23 percent to 10 percent and falling! (Source: Hunger in History; L.F. Newman (Ed) 1995)If the falling proportion of food-poor people continues at its present rate, then food poverty will be virtually eliminated by the year 2050. (I wonder, if that happens, what the Society will find to moan about then). Check out the list of major historical famines listed in the encyclopaedia Britannica and count the number of dead, comparing the 19th and 20th centuries; you will see no increase in deaths due to famine at all, this in spite of a four-fold increase in world population.
DISEASE. Yes, we all know about the JW’s favourite disease: AIDS (the best thing to happen for them since world war one). However, this disease, while terrible, is as nothing compared to the diseases mankind has defeated in the last two centuries due to improved medicine and hygiene. The simple fact is that the average life-span, in nearly every country in the world, has increased immensely in the last few generations. Why? What used to kill them that now doesn’t? The answer is obvious – disease and famine. In the middle ages about half, yes HALF, of ALL babies died before they reached the age of 5! Have things got worse since then? I think not.
WAR. Wars have always been incredibly common.
It is true that the 20th century saw two of the most devastating wars ever, the first and second world wars. On the face of it, warfare would seem to be the doom-prophesiers trump card. The casualty figures from these ‘world’ wars are particularly impressive from a ‘sign’ point of view but are by no means unique. Massively devastating wars have occurred throughout history. The Taiping Rebellion (1850-64) in China, for example, was a radical political and religious upheaval that was probably one of the most violent events in human history. It ravaged 17 provinces and took an estimated twenty million lives - twice the casualty figures of world war one! But perhaps they don’t count to JWs, they were only heathen Chinese. Yes, we have had two really big wars, but the last one was 60 years ago, not exactly what one would expect from the sign of the end eh?
There is a lot more to be said on this topic, and tons of evidence to show that we are not living in the time of the end, but time and space does not permit. It is interesting that the society sees a realisation that we are not living in the last days as one of the most dangerous doubts that a JW can have (along with doubts about the validity of the FDS). Why? Because they know that they cannot stand up to intelligent scrutiny or the facts.
Dean.
i have been lurking here for a few weeks and just registered.
i was briefly a jw - df'd 6 years ago.
my story is posted under personal experiences.
Here are several very important but often forgotten rules of English:
Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
Avoid alliteration. Always.
Avoid clichés like the plague. (They're old hat.)
Employ the vernacular.
Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc.
Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are unnecessary.
It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.
Contractions aren't necessary.
Foreign words and phrases are not apropos.
One should never generalize.
Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson once said: "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
Comparisons are as bad as cliches.
Don't be redundant; don't more use words than necessary; it's highly superfluous.
Profanity sucks.
Be more or less specific.
Understatement is always best.
Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.
One-word sentences? Eliminate.
Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.
The passive voice is to be avoided.
Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.
Even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
Who needs rhetorical questions?
While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must nevertheless keep incessant surveillance against such loquacious, effusive, voluble verbosity that the calculated objective of communication becomes ensconced in obscurity.
In a sentence, the nouns has to match the verbs.
Don't use no double negatives.
In writing, few things are, so to speak, more infuriating, than, say, commas, at least when there are too many of them, or when they should be, say, semicolons.
Proofread your work, so you don't leave some out or forget to finish
do folk in the united states use mnemonics as we do here in the uk?.
just in case youre wondering, a mnemonic is a method by which it becomes easy to remember something, especially if it involves a table or sequence.
most uk mnemonics have a vulgar or sexual connotation, so their use is somewhat frowned upon in jw circles.. when number 2 son was studying geology, it was essential that he remembered the hardness order of various minerals.
I think Norwich stands for (K)nickers off ready when I come home.
As for Uranus, astronomers are fed up with childish toilet humour and have decided to rename the planet Uranus to 'Bumhole'(pronounced Bumeholey).
I remember the rainbow mnemonic as Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain.
Do the mathematicians among you recognise 'Silly Old Harry Carried A Horse Through Our Attic'? (SOHCAHTOA)
copied from what i assume is youknow's main news source; the weekly world news.. yk, what points in this article do you support?.
bible prophecies the government doesn't want you to know!
washington -- fearing national and world panic, the federal government is working around the clock to suppress bible prophecies that prove the world is coming to an end on or before may 13, 2002!
This is so funny I thought I'd bring it back to the top in case folks missed it.
I just LOVE stuff like this. The sad thing, though, is that people will continue ad infinitum to be fooled by this sort of end-time crap. You Know and his ilk will always be around to impress the gullable.
I wonder where Dr. Robert Calke will be on May 14th 2002. Checking his calculations and formulating a new date, or claiming that the world did end yesterday and it was our hard luck if we missed it?
i was just browsing through some old kingdom ministries (as you do) when i came across this interesting comment in the february 2001 (british)issue insert 'facing challenges in 2001':.
(speaking of 'most countries in the western world').
'however, it saddens us to realize that some have been side-tracked by the world's materialism and the lowering of moral standards.
I've had a go and they are on their way.
Notice on page 6, paragraph 8, that the poor teenagers get moaned about and further education gets another kicking.