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  Top 10 Signs that Jehovah's Witnesses Want to Disfellowship You:

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i've posted these years ago and was reminiscing, so i thought i would share the laugh with you again.. top 10 signs that jehovah's witnesses want to disfellowship you:.

  10. there's two guys in suits staying all night outside your home in a four-door sedan.. 9. an elder you spoke to on the phone calls and asks you to repeat what you said the other day, but asks you to speak slowly and clearly.. 8. suddenly, jw friends stop by and ask an awful lot of the same questions.. 7. your laptop computer was moved, left on, or is missing.. 6. you left your car unlocked, it was thoroughly searched by someone but absolutely nothing is missing including your gps which was searched too.. 5. your boss asks if you are in trouble with the law or someone, stating some really polite men were asking about you and left some "tracts.".

  4. someone picked up the cigarette butts around your back porch.. 3. the bartender at your favorite nightspot asks if you have ever before seen the guys in the corner booth that have been ordering "cokes" all evening and pulling out a camera everytime you order a beer.. 2. you receive registered mail and you already served on a jury this year.. 1. your jw mother who finally had accepted that you will never go back starts begging you to either go back to the kingdom hall or move with no forwarding address.. .

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  LisaRose

  An elder asks you how long you have been a Jehovah's Witness, not counting today.

  An elder is peeping in your window trying to see if you have a Christmas tree.

  They tell you not to bother turning in your field service report.
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  "Christmas is all they have to live for"

  by stillin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is on of my wife's many-times-repeated expressions about the hilidays, especially when she has an audience that includes non-believers.

  i find it offensive even though i still don't celebrate christmas.

  here's another one, "and it's all based on lies!".

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  LisaRose

  It's the kind of thing JWs tell themselves in a futile attempt to feel good about not being able to enjoy the holidays. It's just jealousy, they are Ebenezer Scrooge saying "Bah humbug".
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  JW Flash Mob

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a flash mob is defined as a large public gathering at which people perform an unusual or seemingly random act and then disperse.. jws are now in on the act and were doing this in bath on unsuspecting convention delegates during their tours after the convention.

  they did this on at least three seperate occassions.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hmrqr-k4hq.

  here's another one, not so public though.

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  LisaRose

  Good point Steve2.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and "winter decorations"

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so how many jw's do you know that do "winter decorations" instead of "holiday decorations"?

  i have a cousin that is upbaptized but very much on board with the jw's but somehow snowmen and pine boughs are okay to decorate the house as long as there is no tree.

  have anyone of you heard or seent his practice?

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  LisaRose

  I never saw any reason you couldn't decorate seasonally. I am sure some JWs were offended, but they never said anything to me and it wouldn't have mattered if they had. Somebody is always going to get their undies in a bunch about something anyway, that's what happens when you are in a cult. Saying it's "too close" to holiday decorating is ridiculous, God created pumpkins and pine cones after all (if you believe in God).
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  Wrestling with change, technology, jealousy, and spiritual need...

  by silent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey gang, i'm a fader and i've made a few posts in the past, but i mostly lurk.

  i had a visit with a family member the other night and they know how i feel about my life as a witness growing up.

  my life as a witness was not fun, i had no friends "in the truth," was picked on relentlessly in school, and basically my life as a witness left me with not one real good memory.

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  LisaRose

  Now I'm torn - do I just dimiss this, forgive it, and overlook this as if it never happened and leave myself open to more chastising over embracing some new, leading-edge tech, that hasn't yet been approved?

  I think you know the answer to that. Why would you want to be with any group that would make you feel that way? Why would God want you to feel like that?

  I'm thinking that it might be sufficient to get out my Bible and just read exactly what it says

  I think that is an excellent idea. You will probably be surprised by how many JW beliefs don't hold up when the bible is read in context.

  Dispite all of this, I still feel a spiritual need of sorts. I like what the Bible teaches as far as morality, love, kindness, praying, etc. I do not like what man adds to it like service time, multi-layer hierachies, rank, and putting men above one another.

  This is good, you know what you do need and what you don't. Take that as a starting point for your spiritual journey. Listen to the part of you that knows that the lying and hypocrisy of the Watchtower is wrong.

  I think if I can forget about the GB and all that malarky with Disctrict and Circuit overseers, Elders, and all that hierarchical good-ol-boys club, maybe I can get a clearer message and maybe a shred of self-esteem. The damage has been done, but I'd like to change something inside of me and try to fix it because so far how I got started out really messed me up.

  I think you are on the right track. What do you think Jesus would say about a religion that leaves you with no self esteem, that makes you feel so bad that you feel damaged? Did he not say that if you did it to the least, you have done it to him?

  So how does a fader as myself, who has a spiritual need they'd like to fulfill at least a little bit among loving, caring, and forgiving people, believes as a Witness (mostly as it's the closest thing to what I believe), but can't stand the Witnesses, nor being around them, suffers depression and anxiety for about 4 days after attending a meeting - how does that person fulfill a spiritual need when the people who claim to follow the same God and same teachings, are acting as a barrier?

  The Watchtower engages in a lot of black or white thinking. They take minor differences in interpretation of scripture and use that to justify condemning everyone that doesn't teach exactly what they do. If you read the Greek scriptures, there were sometimes arguments and disagreements, yet these people were not disfellowshipped, as they would be in the organization today. The Watchtower may have got some things right, but does that make them better? Not when you balance that against the hypocrisy, lies and mind control. The bible says that "by this you will know that they are my disciples, that they love one another" Did you feel that love? I know I didn't. If they don't have that love, none of the rest matters, does it?

  So try to avoid this kind of black or white thinking, that is just the mind control at work here. Don't reject another religion out of hand because they teach some doctrine that you object to. In the first place, you might have been mislead by the Watchtower, in the second place, what is most important is the love, not some doctrinal matter.

  The damage has been done, but I'd like to change something inside of me and try to fix it because so far how I got started out really messed me up.

  The fact that you are asking these questions proves that you are not damaged beyond repair. You can fix this. Keep an open mind, be willing to reexamine everything you believe, don't get hung up on the details, be open to the possibilities. Your journey may end in another faith, or in a simple belief in Christianity with no association of any formal religion, or something you can't even imagine now.

  I wish you well in your journey.
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  Party

  by Hortensia in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm giving a party next week -- sunday, december 14 at 1:00 p.m. reason for the party?

  i got a huge turkey on sale and i need to cook it.

  i'm making turkey and trimmings, neighbors are bringing whatever they want, mostly vegetarian stuff.

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  LisaRose

  Wish I could make it, I would love to meet you, sounds like a fun party.

  We survived the rain, two inches in my town in the last 24 hours, but no flooding and no power outages here, so it's all good, my husband got the day off due to the rain, so he's happy. The cat has cabin fever, she doesn't like being cooped up in the house, so she has been attacking our feet from under the bed and stealing things out of boredom.
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  Shipping items to the Philippines. Does anyone have experience shipping to other countries?

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i live in the usa and want to ship my game consoles (xbox, playstation, wi, ect), laptop, and other items to my wife's family in the philippines.

  i've used a company locally that ships there at a fix price of $90 per box.

  so whatever i fit in the box will ship at that rate regardless of weight.

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  LisaRose

  I have shipped to the Philippines, I used the USPS, it was a lot less than that, but it was less than a pound. You just have to fill out a customs form, other than that it wasn't any different than shipping to anywhere else, you can purchase insurance in case something goes wrong. You can even do it online at USPS.com.
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  Here we go again. The next hate letter from our 2nd Son.

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes it happen again with our youngest son.

  this last monday we got a letter from him telling us how unloving we are because we are no longer jw.

  cult and not had kids.

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  LisaRose

  I think a letter is an excellent idea. Since he has been so disrespectful as to tell his own parents that they must do things his way, you are entirely within your rights to defend yourself. Tell him that if you knew when he was young that it was a religion based on lies you would not have been a JW, you simply did the right thing by leaving, that your conscience does not allow you to live a lie.
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  Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  see last item:.

  "media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".

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  LisaRose

  From my own experience and having read dozens of accounts, a lot of factors determine who gets disfellowshipped in cases of serious sin, (or what the Watchtower considers serious sin). The elders can and do take a lot of factors into consideration, and do use their own judgement when determining guilt or innocence, so it's ridiculous to maintain that their hands are tied when it comes to child abuse.

  The Watchtower knows that their policies can and do enable pedophiles to freely operate in the congregation, and they don't care. The scriptures they use to defend their practices are very much open to interpretation, the bible doesn't even talk about "judicial committees" and the word disfellowship mentioned. But the Watchtower stubbornly refuses to change, they would rather continue to see children abused than admit that there might be a better way to do things, when the reality is that they flip flop on doctrine constantly in other matters.

  Common sense and basic human decency dictates that you don't put children at risk, anything else is contrary to the very basic biblical command to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The elders who become aware of a pedophile can take steps to protect their children, but they leave other families vulnerable, how could that possibly be considered right, or moral or Christian?

  Rather than stand on a rigid and debatable interpretation of a few scriptures, the scripture the Watchtower should be concerned with is Matthew 7:21-23

  …21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
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  Have you been J-SNUBBED? HOW RUDE!

  by sparrowdown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i got to thinking the other day about how the wt uses loaded language.

  and spin to give thinly veiled credence and so-called respectability to their policies.. but why not call a spade a spade.

  why not identify the true nature of a policy,.

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  LisaRose

  New Light = We are making things up as we go along.