Posts by LisaRose

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No longer an MS! Hooray...finally!

by stuckinarut2 in

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well, it's finally happened!.

im no longer an ms.. as many would know from our chats via this forum, i've seen it coming for a while....and while the way it was done stinks, i'm really happy to finally be free!.

(would love to share more details...i will do in time...or perhaps a pm would be best).

Freedom Post # 1 - First Timer

by 7Starz in

synchronicity - the simultaneous occurrence of events that appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.

today is the first day of the rest of my life.

freedom.

"You are still married, and still happy ?"

by Phizzy in

i met an aging, well, late sixties, pioneer sister a few days back, from a congregation four removes away, and a different circuit to my old congo.

i have known her since i was a kid.. i wasn't quite sure at first if she knew our "status" as we exchanged pleasantries, but it soon became clear she knew exactly our situation, that we walked away a few years ago.. she asked me about my views on life now, and listened respectfully, and said she appreciated my view, but a couple of questions that she threw at me, as in the thread title, showed that she was surprised that mrs phizzy and i had not gone off the rails after we left.. the mind control goes so very deep does it not ?

she was surprised that our marriage hadn't failed, and that we were now happy.. i wonder if she will ever make the connection that the jw org has lied to her about those of us who leave ?.

LisaRose

Many people leave the religion to get out of an intolerable marriage and the number cause for being disfellowshipped is sexual immorality, so I think most JWs cannot fathom that someone would leave simply because they no longer believed in it.

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Experience in a talk

by Da.Furious in

last week we had an elder giving a talk, cant remember the title.. the thing that was of interest is the experience he gave:.

"a brother who was working in a hospital had to leave his job which was paying him good money because the nurses wanted to sleep with him and they kept putting notes for him on his desk!".

this is not the first time i hear similar experience.

LisaRose

"A brother who was working in a hospital had to leave his job which was paying him good money because the nurses wanted to sleep with him and they kept putting notes for him on his desk!"

So it was impossible for this guy to keep it in his pants because of a note? sounds more like they don't want people to have anything other than menial jobs.

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If you're bothered by god murdering innocent children, you must have a "critical heart"

by OneEyedJoe in

this week's book study contains this gem:.

the way in which the bible is written serves to test what is in our heart.

hebrews 4:12 says: the word [or, message] of god is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit .

LisaRose

Hmmm...I'm bothered by genocide, the murder of infants and other atrocities, but I'm not bothered by the acts of God.

What proof do you have that the atrocities in the bible were done by God, or that the canaanites were evil? The self serving accounts written by the Israelites? Of course they claimed the canaanites were evil, all warring nations demonize the enemy to make it easier to brutally kill them. They were no better or worse that any other people of their time. Religion was just a convenient excuse that is still being used to justify unspeakable acts. It's evil now, it was evil then.

Killing inocent people is wrong no matter if it is done in the name of Jehovah or Vishnu. If it was really a judgement from God, he wouldn't need a human intermediary, he could simply cause them to die, without the cruelty involved in warfare. Either God was not involved, or he was OK with women being raped and babies being slaughtered because they committed the unforgivable sin of not being born a Jew.

It makes me sick to think there are people like you who are OK with atrocities as long as it is done in the name of your personal diety.

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Should I even bother telling someone what I think of their parenting . . . .any advice?

by skeeter1 in

the situation: a neighbor's child and mine have played together for 8 years.

her mother is a single parent, and a probable narcissist.

loves designer clothes, bentleys, money, will not date a regular joe or even a rich man who doesn't drive the right car, wear the right clothes, etc.

LisaRose

Don't go there, it will just make her mad and then it will be super awkward whenever you see her.

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Hi! Long time lurker finally signing up!

by LosingMyReligion in

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ok, so the time has finally come to register an account on this site.

not that i think i have much to contribute to the discussions here, but more out of a desire to show that yet another person has learned ttatt.

i am a fader, not discussing ttatt with anyone as i know the inevitable outcome it would have.

LisaRose

Welcome, glad you found us.

I find it amusing that believing JWs would have to come here to get the KM. It shows that the organization really doesn't care about those struggling and missing a few meetings for whatever reason. I remember trying to get one when I was missing meetings, it was impossible, either they didn't have any or they said I couldn't get one unless I was publishing. How was I supposed to go out without knowing what I was supposed to be placing? It was a catch 22. Total lack of love or consideration for the marginal witnesses.

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Rasputin and Serums and Herbs--Oh My!

by rebel8 in

i have written a blog post about the dubs and their scorn of modern medicine and rasputin, while simultaneously touting unproven, dangerous cures.. i wonder what it is about a fake remedy that makes jws believe in it or scorn it?.

LisaRose

I think there is a common thread to the two things. The average JW thinks they know something that others don't, that they know more than the "experts", those more well educated than they are. It's a conceit, one encouraged by the Watchtower, it flatters their egos to think they are better than others, people they resent for having an education. The Watchtower slams traditional religions, implying that the clergy knowingly deceive people, but they have the "magic cure" in their belief system.

It's the same with those who who don't believe in traditional medicine. It's a common misconception by many, not just JWs, that the drug companies and doctors conspire somehow to deprive people of better cures, that they are invested in people being sick. Of course this is propagated by those with a "miracle cure" of some sort. It's nonsense, but works because it plays into people paranoia and resentment of people with a better education.

That is not to say that all alternative medicine is bunk. I have used meditation, acupuncture and massage therapy, but those are fairly mainstream, with some science to indicate they are effective. You just have to be careful, there is a lot of questionable therapies and the internet is full of misinformation. Most of these cures are being pushed by someone who has a financial stake in it, so that is a red flag.

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JWs and Multiple Personality Disorder

by Illuminated in

i remember the first time i was hit with my loves cult personality.

knowing the real him, my jaw dropped witnessing this switch.

i thought he had lost it.

LisaRose

I don't think it is at all the same. MPD is a very specific diagnosis, if it does exist, those affected have huge gaps in their memory as they actually do not recall acts performed by other personalities. They also exhibit extreme disfunction in their lives, their issues make loving a normal life almost impossible.

I think the cult mind control of the JWs causes people to submerge their natural personality into one that is more acceptable to the organization. Get them away from the constant meetings and that natural personality will come out more, that is why they are so insistent about meeting attendance. But people do remember all events no matter which personality was more evident at the time, and they have normal lives, if you can call being a JW normal.

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Is shunning effective?

by rebel8 in

does shunning accomplish its objectives:.

make the person repent?.

deter others from committing similar offenses in the future?.

LisaRose

It does work to a certain extent. There are a lot of people whose would leave if they weren't going to lose their family. It also keeps people from finding out that "The Truth" is actually "The Lie", since those who find out cannot talk to those still in. It also breaks up families, which causes those still in to be more dependent on their relationships in the organization.

The Watchtower doesn't care about those who aren't 100% committed. they would rather they leave, imo.