Posts by LisaRose

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"Evidence" of a "smokelike pall"... This was the last straw for me back in 2008. Fade began with this:

by DarioKehl in

from that nutty red book of insanity, the grand climax at hand book, chapter 22, paragraphs 7 & 8. .

i had my doubts since childhood.

i went along with it to please people.

LisaRose

Even as a newly minted dub I found the books on revelation to be a hard slog. I assumed it was because I just wasn't spiritual enough, but as it turns out, it was simply that it was just a lot of incomprehensible blather. I'm pretty sure the clergy of Christendom didn't give a fig about Rutherford and his loyal band of drunkards. But as they say, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull poop.

The most interesting thing about that book was the title, and who would have thought a book with the word "climax" in the title would be so painfully boring?

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CO says "WE ARE NOW AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!"

by nowwhat? in

40-50 years after saying "armegeddon is right around the corner" we are now making progress!!!.

gotta have a sense of humor to deal with this stuff..

LisaRose

In the late early seventies my parents earnestly predicted my niece would never go to kindergarten, we would all be in the new system by then petting lions, of course they believed they would never die.

My parents have passed away, my niece is in her forties, no sign of Armageddon, but the ridiculous predictions go one. Each generation thinks they have it the worst, the world cannot keep going on as it does, something has to happen.

My parents didn't know about all the earlier predictions that hadn't come true, they thought their time was unique, things were bad and must end soon. They died waiting for that paradise.

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TROLLEY WITNESSING BECOMING A ROUSING SUCESSS!

by nowwhat? in

from last weeks meeting.

"we are now going to talk about experiences from trolley witnesssing" .

this is the honest to god response.

LisaRose

My husband sees them at the Bart station (San Francisco bay area transit ) they just stand there with their trolley, no one approaches. I can see why JWs like to do this, it's relativity easy work, count your time, no need to actually talk to anyone.

People are on their way to work or shopping, baseball games or whatever, why would they take time to talk to the doom and gloom merchants? They are kind of sad, earnestly trying to earn their way into the panda petting paradise, counting time but doing nothing.

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Trapped.

by trapped28 in

jw
friends

as i write this,im aware of my heart hammering in my chest.ok where shall i start,ill try to keep this as short as possible.ive never been religious before in my life,the occasional wedding or funeral was the only time ive been in a church or viewed a bibles cover.in 2013 my step-dad was diagnosed with cancer and had to go for an operation to remove the tumor.i became close to his nephew and we communicated a lot and had a few strong feelings for each other,but neither of us told anyone,it was just harmless flirting and a few hugs that lasted a bit longer than normal.two days after my dads operation,he died through complications,and my path of self destruct was set.my boss had also been sexually harassing me at work and i was unfairly dismissed and was told by my landlord that i was to pay the rent or be evicted.then out of the blue my cousin tells me he was an unbaptised publisher (he was baptised at the aug convention last year)and to start having faith in god,that it would all work out.so i went to a kh and took up a study.that was a year ago and they now feel im ready to become a publisher.the thing is..i was made homless and am living with a jw of 50 years,a real spiritual person.these last two months ive been researching and i simply like you all disagree with so much of it.for the past twi weeks ive avoided meetings because of work,or pretended im at work and stayed away from the home i have with this witness.i cant afford to leave but at same time im being pushed to go into ministry and meetings.guys what the hell am i going to do?im so trapped scared and i cant believe i wanted to get baptised!

!my son lives with his dad and there trying to get a hold on him when he visits me!

!

LisaRose

Welcome. You are not trapped, you are just in a difficult situation. Whatever you do, DO NOT GET BAPTIZED. Do not invest any more of your time and energy on this cult. Do what you have to to keep your current living situation until you can arrange something better. I don't know what country you are in, but look into homeless shelters, or whatever public services you can get.

Your JW friends mean well, but they are in a cult so they will not be any help to your in the long run. They see only one way of doing things, the Watchtower way. You can do better.

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Seriously condsidering disasscoiating

by Ashley L. in

jw
friends

i am seriously considering disassociating myself.

i want to do this because i no longer consider myself one of jehovah's witnesses.

i no longer consider jehovah as my god and i am in a new religion now.

LisaRose

This is a very serious step with lasting consequences. A lot depends on your relatives and how uptight they are about the rules and how much you would miss their company if they should shun you. If they are zealous JWs they may shun you if they find out you are Wicca, even if you do not disassociate. Being shunned is painful, that's why it is used by this religion. If you won't return they want you to be as unhappy as possible to deter others from following your example. They dent care a bit about you if you are not under their control.

I did not disassociate, but my JW relatives shun me because I remarried without a "scriptural divorce". Fifteen years later I am still married to the love of my life, but still shunned because I am such hussy, and my ex husband still refers to me as "your mother, the whore". Meanwhile, pedophile elders are OK if its been a few years since they offended and no one found out. It's a cult, they make up the rules as they go along.

In the long run it's your life and your family, so do what works for you, but make sure you have a support system in place in case your family does choose to shun.

I wish you well and hope everything works out for you.

Lisa Rose

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Dangerous "Pent up" feelings inside of most witnesses?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

i have often wondered if there is more harm done to people who are stifled or smothered from expressing their natural conduct, feelings or actions because of it being condemned by religious ideals?.

so if a person keeps suppressing their real personality and tries to mould themselves to the "perfect" or "ideal" version as expected from those controlling them, could they eventually "bust" so to speak?.

for instance, witnesses condemn many forms of entertainment.

LisaRose

Is the guilt they experience more harmful than the movie itself?

Yes. It's a religion based on guilt. They are setting you up to fail, because people that are worried and guilty are easy to manipulate. You are either too busy and tired from their burdensome requirements to think about their failed predictions or you are so consumed with guilt that you try not to think about them at all. Either way they win, they would rather you be miserable than have you leave and be happy.

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Things that I trust more than Hillary Clinton

by Nathan Natas in

things that i trust more than hillary clinton:.

mexican tap water.

any email from nigeria.

LisaRose

Why would you trust any politician?

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It seems like the Mormons are falling short of their recruitment goals.

by James Mixon in

maybe someone can post the article.

by brady mccombs the associated press.

friday april 24. .

LisaRose

I guess the cult business isn't what it used to be.

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I've just been disfellowshipped!

by maksutov in

apparently it was announced last night.

i was not informed (for 'legal reasons'), but they phoned my dad and told him.

i understand it is due to my apostate book.

LisaRose

Good for you for speaking out, too bad you may lose family because of it. I think people like you are making it harder and harder for the organization to enforce shunning. Unlike those who might have been disfellowshipped in the past, you know you haven't done anything wrong and you refuse to slink off with your tail between your legs.

I think lot of JWs know it's ridiculous to shun someone for simply leaving a religion, so it's going to be harder and harder to enforce shunning, especially in families. This will make it harder to keep people in ignorance of the Watchtower's many lies and false predictions.

The bible verses used to defend the Watchtower's harsh shunning practices only says to quit mixing in company with anyone "called a brother" who does immoral things. You are not calling yourself a brother, nor are you immoral, so why do they need to shun you? There were disagreements in the early Christian congregations, so what is the justification for shunning someone over a difference in interpretation of the scriptures? This practice is not biblically based but is simply designed to protect the Watchtower.

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Seeking support during confusing and stressful 'cognitive dissonance'

by LHS123 in

jw
friends

sorry for the long post but i need help.

ive been a jw for 20 years - still active and attending meetings, baptised at 18, i have recently become very dissillusioned.

a few reasons: ill treatment of my kids by a prominent 'assembly speaker' elder, then my son left the truth at 15 (not baptised) and was 'dropped' instantly, despite this community having been his whole life for 15 years.

LisaRose

I think a break sounds like a good idea right now. It's a lot to take in, isn't it? It will take time, but it's worth it.

As far as apostate literature, I never understood why the Watch tower was so afraid of differing viewpoints. Truth should stand up to scrutiny, right? Now I know why they were so afraid, they don't have the truth and so much of the beliefs just don't stand up.

Just remember than things are not true because we want them to be, or need them to be, or we invested our time, or missed opportunities. I was in for thirty two years from thirteen to forty five. It was hard to start over, but now I am glad I did.