The Stoning of Soraya M. is a recent movie based on a true story. It's well done and well worth watching to see what happens when old testament bible rules are applied in modern times.
LisaRose
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Disfellowshipping Image
by naazira inthis photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.
why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.
just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.
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What's the Watchtower's latest view on "The End" or "The Second Coming of Jesus Christ"? Most act like its not coming!
by MagicMItchJensen ini posted that article from the miami newspaper, others posted the united kingdom's articles on jws and isis.
what's the official position of the watchtower about the last days, are we in them or are we going to wait another 2,000 years like the jews believe?.
i remember arguing at work with friends that nostradamus end date of 3000 was wrong, are there other past prophets you know of who predicted the world's end past our time?.
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LisaRose
I think that deep down, most Jehovah's Witnesses know that the end is not coming, at least anytime soon. They go out door to door, not to warn people of impending judgement, but in a perfuntory way, because they need to write down some hours on a time slip, to keep from being criticised by the elders, and as insurance, just in case Armageddon does come.
The Watchtower is the boy who cried wolf one too many times, they may keep the most devoted believing the end is coming soon, but everyone else has figured it out, even though they cannot admit it to others, or even to themselves.
If they really believed what they claim they wouldn't waste hours of field service knocking on the doors of empty houses and driving all over town to make one return visit. There is no urgency to their work, no effectiveness, no real results. 1914 is a meaningless date, based on questionable logic and an incorrect date for the fall of Jerusalem. Armageddon didn't happen then, as the bible students thought it it would at the time, or 1975 as they said, and it won't happen next year or any other year.
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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?
by nicolaou inthis topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .
.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.
the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.
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LisaRose
You think only believers have left? You're sadly mistaken. Intellectual people don't usually feel the need to ridicule either people or ideas. Pseudo intellectuals, that's another story.
I agree. I sometimes feel the atmosphere here is very negative, and I do think of leaving. I do stay in the end, but I don't usually go into certain topics, and I am sure many others have left for this reason. I do not get the attitude of some posters, and I am an atheist.
Most of us here were obviously JWs at one time, so why ridicule others for believing in God as you once did? You have learned critical thinking skills and are an Atheist now, good for you. Maybe others have not been out as long as you, or not had exposure to critical thinking as much as you, or have your intelligence. Does that make it OK to use your superior knowledge to ridicule them?
If your intent is to change hearts and minds by this, then you have failed, imo. If your intent is to show off your superior knowledge, belittle others and so feel good about yourself, then yes, you have succeeded. It's easy to go for the cheap put down, harder to understand, feel empathy, and maybe help others to learn something, if not the poster then those who may be lurking.
I get it, some believers are annoying, many have used tired arguments that have been used by others, and they aren't really interested in meaningful discussion. But for every one of these there are ten others who believe in God, but won't post or even stay and read the comments because you made them feel unwelcome here. I am not totally innocent in this, there are posters that push my buttons as well, but I try to be better than that.
I am not aiming ths at any one poster, I like most people here and think they have good intentions, but I do think some comments cross a line. It's not something unique to this board, it seems to be an internet staple these days, last night we had a flame war on Next Door (a neighbor to neighbor social network). But please keep in mind many readers here have recently left an abusive religion, they may be still recovering from this, they don't need to be made to feel stupid because they still believe in God.
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Disfellowshipping Image
by naazira inthis photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.
why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.
just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.
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LisaRose
Pioneering requires long hours. Sisters tend to wear long skirts as they are easier to climb in and out of vans and cars. You also dont have to wear leg wear (stockings or hose) or have nice legs to wear a long skirt. Heck, you dont even have to shave your legs if you are not of a mind to. Who will know? So this quickly became a standard of dress for housewives in the 30 and 40 yr old range. They were homeschooling the future Bethelites, and C.O.s and pioneering while they did it!
I Remember back on the day (90's) Long skirts were very fashionable. You would think that would make the elders happy, but no. Because it was hot in the summer (inland California) with at least thirty days a year of temps over 100 degrees ( Fahrenheit. For you Brits, in Celsius it would be f'ing hot). Most women gladly shed their pantyhose, and why not, no one could see your legs. The elders dictated that going bare legged was not appropriate for meetings or service. Also, denim skirts and dresses were not appropriate either. I seriously considered this counsel and decided to give up.... field service.
When long skirts went out of style I gladly gave the up, frankly they were not all that flattering, especially my short curvy figure, but I never went back to pantyhose.
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How do you distinguish Americans?
by paulmolark inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igk4xvzwocw.
apparently americans are all chubby, baggy clothes wearing optimistic fast food eaters.
who knew.
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LisaRose
We Brits are gradually becoming Americans....a lot of our TV is from the US...and bloomin' great it is too.
Then I must be becoming a Brit because I watch BBC all the time, lol. Cross culturalism I guess. I do often have to translate for my husband, he is hard of hearing and between the accents and differences in slang he sometimes doesn't get what they are saying. He likes the French or Italian movies better because of the subtitles.
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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?
by nicolaou inthis topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .
.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.
the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.
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LisaRose
This is not aimed at you Millie, I've never seen you be rude, but some here have a hard time drawing a line between direct and belittling.
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New (non)-Witnessing Model
by berrygerry inso, one of the kids on reddit posted this video - an evangelist trying to witness to guardians of the cart.
(both sides are fairly respectful imo).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwbc9c4ajly&feature=youtu.be.
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LisaRose
We’re Jehovah's Witnesses.
We stand by in fearfullness
Ours is the God of failed prophecy;
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Big Logical Problem for New JW Beliefs
by FusionTheism inthere is a huge logical problem for the newer jw doctrines and beliefs:.
watchtower, august 1, 2010, page 22:.
so although jehovah does not promise that every individual will receive exactly the same opportunity, he does make sure that an opportunity is held out to all honesthearted ones.
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LisaRose
Ding:All honest-hearted people will be okay, but JWs themselves live in constant fear that they won't prove worthy when Armageddon.
Yes! This is the huge logical jump you need to make to accept the Watchtower line of reasoning. If Jehovah is a God of justice, why do people in some countries get multiple chances to supposedly learn about God and his plans for mankind while people in other countries have never heard of Jehovah? Nevermind that even in countries where JWs are active most have no idea what they believe.
Then you have the fact that those that die beforeArmageddon get resurrected and have first hand proof that God exists, plus a lot of JWs around to explain what he wants, while those that are alive at Armageddon are bird food, it is only an accident of timing that separates them.
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McKinney Texas pool party?
by Marvin Shilmer inso today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
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LisaRose
Even when the media was playing up the "out of control cop" angle it seemed obvious to me that the teens involved were not the sweet little angels they purported themselves to be. There were reports of excessively loud music and breaking the rules of the pool. But that is not at all uncommon, unless teens are monitored by their parents they will do such things. I don't understand why the adult who was there and responsible did not rein things in before it got out of control. The mother was saying she was there, why didn't they talk to her, but where was she that she didn't know there was a problem?
The kids were brats. That being said, none of that was an excuse for a cop to pull a weapon, otherwise his fellow cops would not have stepped in to make him put it away. I wonder what would have happened if they had not. Do young people deserve to be shot for not instantly obeying the commands of a police officer? His behavior was horrible, screaming obscenities is not going to help you get get control of the situation, he was obviously overwhelmed and not thinking clearly, which is not a good thing in a police officer. It's just sad that people like him are making it harder for the good cops out there who no doubt can deal with rowdy crowds in an appropriate way.
Also, the United States is not a police state, good grief, don't believe everything you see on the telly.
And what is wrong with young men playing basketball? It's good exercise. I think most of them are aware they are not going to play in the NBA as 98%are probably not tall enough, never mind being exceptional athletes.
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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?
by nicolaou inthis topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .
.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.
the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.
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LisaRose
People dont learn when they are made to feel "less"
Millie, I wish I could give more than one "like" sometimes, I love your entire post, but especially this. Just because you have superior knowledge of a subject it doesn't make it OK to be condescending, rude and belittling, and then give a second helping to anyone that complains. If your goal is to help those in the JW and ex JW community to gain critical thinking skills, you failed, because many people will just stop reading those threads, or they will not post their own questions for fear of bing ridiculed.
