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  Help needed

  by moley in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as many of you on here will know, my sister and myself (along with others we know) were abused by a ms. .

  my first memory as a child was of abuse and i've had and still am suffering from the affects due to mental health problems.

  the abuser is now dead, but he was jailed for abuse of his own son previously so that nest of vipers will have known he was an abuser.

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  LisaRose

  I am so sorry this happened to you. I hate this stupid religion and I hope you sue them for every penny they have.
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  How did you feel after..

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ..you had been away from the wt for a time.

  i saw a quote tonight and it leapt off the page for me.. "now i know what it feels like to be part of a circle of friends, part of a group.

  its a very different feeling than i have had before and it feels wonderful and right'.. spoken by a lady after being released of her heart "wall" that she had established for protection.. + comments please if you like.

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  LisaRose

  I had stuckvwith this religion over many years, through many personal challenges, without every getting anything back in support, fellowship, approval or just simple human kindness. It was an enormous sense of relief to know I didn't have to do that any more, that I could live my life by my own moral compass, not that of the Watchtower.

  Freedom

  Joy

  Relief

  
  
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  Elders are Complicit with WT Society in Child Abuse Scandals- Gonzalo Campos Case

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  of course, most of us realize this.

  however sometimes even on this board sometimes threads have stated that the jw elders have been occasionally painted as the " fall guys " who take the rap for the wt society leaders - which of course is true - to a degree.

  however- that being said , many times elders have failed to protect - or even have failed to advocate for child abuse victims when it has been within their power to do so.

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  LisaRose

  Elders do not get a pass on this. They do have some lattitude in judicial committee meeting, and as people have said, you can be disfellowshipped for anything three elders agree on, so why can't they agree when innocent children are in danger?

  There is a famous quote that is quite pertinent here:

  The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.’
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  Unconvincing Evidence in September Watchtower

  by bemused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was looking at the september 2015 issue of the watchtower, which, unlike the simplified and study editions, appears to be aimed at non-jws.

  a couple of articles caught my eye that quote biblical sources which are somewhat less than convincing to a non-believer.. firstly 'what do jehovah's witnesses believe?

  ' says that the core belief is that 'all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial'.

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  LisaRose

  Some may wonder if the story of the whole earth being covered with water is a myth or at least an exaggeration. Not at all! Indeed, to some extent the earth is still flooded. Seawater covers about 71 percent of the earth’s surface. So in reality the floodwaters are still here.

  So, the ocean is a flood?? The fact that most of the earth is covered in seawater is not the same as being flooded. Flooding is when ground not usually covered in water becomes covered in water, so the ocean doesn't really qualify.

  And if the glaciers and polar ice caps were to melt, the sea level would rise to cover cities like New York and Tokyo.

  Hmmm. Those cities are at fairly low elevations, so what about Mount Everest? K2? What amount of water would be needed to cover that? And where did that water then go? The only way that could have happened is if massive mountains rose up after the flood, something not mentioned in the bible and not supported by science.
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  Why don’t we have a better story?

  by iconoclastic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. some say we are all gods, and god is omnipresent..

  2. some say: god created his children who later challenged his sovereignty, who in turn asked his eldest son: go down to the world, do not resist the wicked, but be murdered by them, the value of which will be used to atone the sins of the world..

  3. universe arose out of a big bang.

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  LisaRose

  We have been patient in answering your question, can you do the same?

  Why do dogs, cats and horses have digits that are completely non functional? For example, the dew claws in dogs, why did God put them there?

  Why do people have a tailbone?

  Whdid God create dinosaurs? The fossil record tells us that there were at one time thousands of kinds of dinosaurs, so why did God create them just to wipe them off the face of the earth?

  Why does a simple plant like the Lily have more DNA than a human?

  Whyis there redundant Dna?
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  9 dead in ‘hate crime’ shooting at historic African American church in Charleston

  by pronomono in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/17/white-gunman-sought-in-shooting-at-historic-charleston-african-ame-church/.

  this is such a shame.

  i've always thought about things like this happening because of how crazy some people are, especially in regards to religion.

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  LisaRose

  I don't think this is as much a race or gun issue as much as it's a mental health issue. Obviously we don't know much at this point, but even a hard line racist will not usually do something this extreme, it usually takes some form of mental health issue.

  There is a problem in this country with how we deal with the mentally ill. Too often parents are forced to stand by while their adult children cycle in and out through the mental health system. They hit a low and are hospitalized, where they receive medication and improve, so they are released. Once released they often stop taking medication and start acting out again. At one time people were often hospitalized against their will when they didn't need to be, but we have gone too far in the other direction and a good percentage of the homeless population are mentally ill, which is not good for them or for society.

  There are laws that prevent people who are mentally from buying guns, but there are a few loopholes. A former co-worker of mine had a wife who threatened suicide. She was taken to the emergency room, but talked her way out of it. The next day she bought a gun and killed herself and their two children. She was diagnosed as bipolar and should not have been able to buy a gun, especially after threatening suicide.

  Unfortunately in this church shooter's case his father bought the gun for him and it's it's hard to legislate against stupidity
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  Preach, preach, preach....feel guilty...preach some more

  by Tornintwo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since starting to wake up, i can't help notice how so many talks emphasise preaching, increasing your hours, pioneering etc...with a hefty load of guilt on the side.. i always noticed the guilt, but now i'm noticing how talks that seem to start out on another issue always seem to come back to hours!

  visit talk seemed to start out about persecution, trusting in jehovah etc...but the main thrust in the end was, 'do more hours, pioneer, don't get an education or pursue a career, don't get distracted, hooray for the pioneers!

  if you dont do more hours you will be 'the sort that shrink back to destruction'.

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  LisaRose

  Time control and guilt are useful to keeping people enslaved to a cult. Either you spend all your time and energy in busywork (field service) or you spend all your time and energy in other things, which makes you feel guilty. Either way, they win, because you aren't questioning things or thinking about their failures. I don't think they care either way as long as you keep contributing to their real estate empire.

  From howcultswork.com
  Mind control cults keep their members so busy with meetings and activities that they become too busy and too tired to think about their involvement.

  Time control also helps the cult keep their members immersed in the manufactured cult environment
  And time control helps keep cult members away from friends and family.
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  Joining another cult... is it an option? Your thoughts..

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've just finished reading "freedom of mind" today.

  meditating over the many things i've read, one chapter of the book talks about how there could be a situation where more than one family member may have joined one cult, while another member may have joined another one.

  it mentions the possibility of using one family member against the other in order to bring them both to questions their own cults.. this hit me home as i had been thinking if joining a cult would be a good idea.

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  LisaRose

  For a minute there I thought you were actually joining a cult, lol

  It's a stretch. Most people have no trouble identifying other cults as being cults, but believe their own situation is different no matter how many similarities there are. For someone who is waking up or at least unhappy with their current situation it might just work.
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  Growing up gay in North korea

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how do you know you're "gay", if you've never heard of "gay?".

  does something exist if there is no word to describe it?

  consider the experience of jang yeong-jin.. .

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  LisaRose

  How sad. I saw a documentary on north Korea and it was clear to me that it was basically just a big cult, people are as mind controlled as the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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  Paul said NOT to be "Harsh" in Shunning

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the apostle paul warned the corinthians not to be too harsh in their shunning of a man who was guilty of sexual immortality / adultery:.

  2 co 2:5-11: now if anyone has caused sadness, he has saddened, not me, but all of you to an extentnot to be too harsh in what i say.

  this rebuke given by the majority is sufficient for such a man; now you should instead kindly forgive and comfort him, so that he may not be overwhelmed by excessive sadness.

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  LisaRose

  It ties in with my belief that the early Christians did not practice shunning as the Jehovah's Witnesses do. No judicial committee, no announcement, but if a person was known to do things that was not right, then those people that were aware of it would simply stop associating with him. No need for the elders to sniff out any hint of impropriety, no harsh shunning because someone made a mistake, it would take a consistent practice of such behavior, and such judgement was by individuals, by church leaders.

  And since there is a record of the early Christians having disagreements, no shunning because you didn't agree 100 with another person, even if they were church leaders.