Posts by LisaRose

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Elders, disfellowshipping, & baseball umpires

by sir82 in

ok bear with me for second on this one..... i was just reading the other day about "pitchf/x", a type of technology that can accurately track whether a pitch in baseball is a ball or a strike.. a couple of analysts went over 6 years of baseball data.. it turns out that umpires are wrong about balls & strikes about 14% of the time.

what they call a "ball" is really a "strike" about 13% of the time, and what they call a "strike" is really a "ball" about 15% of the time.

here is the article.. that's at the major league level.. umpires have to work their way up to the major leagues, just as players do.

LisaRose

And the real kicker is that really good people are sometimes not good at saying the right thing, or may be too depressed to be able to say much, while some others are great at lying and acting repentant, so the percentage is probably far worse than that.

That's even supposing they are entitled to judge anyone's else repentance in the first place. The bible just says you shouldn't associate with anyone called a Christian who engages in immoral behavior. It doesn't say it's a formal arrangement, just something you would do if you know yourself that someone is engaging in a long term practice of sin. Nowhere does it say a committee is formed, or three people get to judge you for making a mistake. As Jesus said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". There is no determining of repentance, repentance is shown by stopping the behavior.

Nothing in the bible indicates that people are disposable, that they can be cut off from family and friends at the whim of a few elders. They don't even give people a chance to repent, but act as judge, jury and executioner. The person then has to live with being shunned for a year or more before they will even be talked too, all the while going to meetings and being humiliated on a weekly basis. Finally they may be allowed in, if they kiss enough butt to "prove" their repentance.

Many can't stomach that level of humiliation and give up, and who could blame them? The worst sin in the bible is stumbling one of your own brothers, so who is really the sinner in this equation?

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merk ch 16 says all believers of jesus will perform miracles....

by sowhatnow in

15 he said to them, go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

16 whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

17 and these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.. 19 after the lord jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of god.

LisaRose

Sounds to me that statements in the bible shouldn't be taken literally

Ya think? 71 people have died handling snakes as part of a religious ritual, usually in a Pentecostal church of some sort.

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Reading this might be hard.. Emotionally.. This is the truth...

by Jaewook kim in

every second our watch ticks, thats frequency of our current time.

the frequency will hit our reality every 1 second.. same method for rainbow frequency.. this is where i need your scientists.

need confirmation of change on fact of time.. and this... is truth of jehovah.... under sugar water, blue light will appear on left side.. under salt water, red light will appear on right side.. this concept is same for our heart.

LisaRose

You are right about one thing, this was really hard to read.

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Life after JW

by bsand20 in

haven't been on this site since fall of last year.

i was very active in spreading awareness and getting information to help me cope with the fact that my mother cut off complete communication with me as of jan 2014, but i guess too much of a good thing was too much for me to handle.

i ended up getting panic/anxiety attacks.

LisaRose

I highly recommend meditation. It has been life changing for me and has been proven to reduce stress, lower blood pressure and help with anxiety and depression. Control your breathing and you control your emotions, it's really that simple

I also recommend journaling. Sit down every day and write down everything that is in your head. Don't filter, just write three pages. After a while you will start to see a theme, those thoughts and triggers that are bothering you.

These two things will help you sift through your conflicting thoughts and emotions and help you deal with them. Someone once said that it's not what happens to you that causes problems, it's how you feel about what happens to you. As ex JWs, we can usually do nothing about the hand we were delt, but we can control our feelings and emotions about what has happened.

I hope that helps, feel free to pm me if you have any questions.

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What are you up to this summer?

by Xanthippe in

jw
friends

i really enjoy hearing about other people's lives.

feeling a little lonely this evening so please tell me if you have plans for the summer months.

i may go to some outdoor theatre with my daughter who's home from uni; with a picnic and a bottle of wine.

LisaRose

July 29th is my fifteenth wedding anniversary, we are going to Eureka (northern Califoria coast) and staying at a bed and breakfast. It's been busy summer, so a few days by the ocean is something to look forward to.

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The Confederate Flag

by Simon in

the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

LisaRose

m not suggesting anything. I posted a random link in response to your preposterous assertion that white people randomly kill black people and are not held accountable. I continue to love the level of insanity that racist propaganda degrades to...

Oh good grief, I didn't post anything like that. I don't think you read my whole post. I was responding to a poster who said white men were often killed by black men and nothing was done. I was asking for an example of that. I did leave out a word that might have made it more clear, but if you read it context it is not a post defending white racism, it's the opposite.

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The Confederate Flag

by Simon in

the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

LisaRose

Tell me one example of a where a white man killed by a black man where nothing was done because the perpetrator was black.

Morpheus :No Problem

Gilbert Collar, a white, unarmed 18-year-old under the influence of drugs was shot and killed Oct. 6, 2012, by Officer Trevis Austin, who is black, in Mobile, Alabama. Despite public pressure for an indictment, a Mobile County grand jury refused to bring charges against Offic

This is not an example where "nothing was done". The case was presented to grand jury, they chose not to bring charges. Are you saying the grand jury made the decision it did because the cop was black? If so, provide proof. Or are you saying the cop should have been prosecuted, despite no indictment, because he was black and the person he killed in the line of duty was white? Just as in Fergusen, the person doing his job was exonerated by a grand jury. What more do you think should have/could have been done?

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The Confederate Flag

by Simon in

the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

LisaRose

People seem to forget Blacks are also racist. If you’re going to call white people racist, then call it for what it is. We now live in a racist society

SOME blacks are racist, just as SOME white people are racist. Racism is bad whatever the reason. What is your point? While racism does exist, I don't believe we live in a racist society. You seem to see everything in the extreme, as if there are only two options, a paradise of racial harmony or or a society of extreme racism.

All rational is gone.

All rational what?

Blacks are just as guilty as whites.

Of what? In what context? You talk of Angela Davis and the Black Panthers, what is your point, exactly? That black racism and extremism exist? Yes, of course they do, but they don't speak for the majority of black people.

The confederate Flag is not the issue or shouldn’t be, if you want to fix something that’s broke like racism, look both ways and admit to the corruption and failure of society that made it so.

But it is the issue. What if your state adopted the flag of the black Panthers and flew it in your state capitol? No matter what explanation was given ( it's a symbol of black pride, it has historical significance! ) you would feel insulted and excluded, and rightly so. You talk of corruption, what is more corrupt that state sponsored racism? Because flying a flag that is a symbol of racism is, in fact, racist.

The only difference is when a black man kills a white man in Chicago no one cares because whites don’t advertise it,

That is patently ridiculous. Tell me one example of a where a white man killed by a black man where nothing was done because the perpetrator was black.

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How strong were you in “The Truth?”

by John Aquila in

when you were still asleep in the watchtower organization and had no idea of ttatt.

what would you have done if you were in a serious accident and all of a sudden you woke up in the emergency hospital room with all the brothers and sisters at your side and your spouse cheering you on to be faithful to jehovah.

then the doctor comes up to you and tells you that you are about to go into surgery because there is no time to lose and the only way to live is to take a blood transfusion ?

LisaRose

I wasn't strong in the religion, but I still would have died rather than take blood. Even stranger, my ex husband would not take a blood transfusion when he had internal bleeding and almost died, even though he had been disfellowshipped for twenty-five years at the time. His hemoglobin was down to three which is basically not compatible with life. I was still a JW then and even I thought he was being stupid.

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Tsarnaev guilty - should he get death or not?

by Simon in

i think he probably will (it is the us after all) but i hope he doesn't.

he caused incredible pain and suffering to men, women and children who had never done anything to him.

many died in unimaginable agony, others are disabled for life.

LisaRose

I would not vote for the death penalty in this case. For one thing it costs more to execute someone than to imprison them for life due to the appeals process. Also, killing him will make him a martyr in the eyes of many.

While what he did was horrific and unforgivable, but I do think he was influenced by his brother and due to his age might not have understood the complete, full ramifications of what he did, plus he was a member of an extreme religion, and we all know how religion can warp your values. His apology does not ring true to me, but I feel spending the rest of his life in prison will give him time to reflect on the path he chosen and maybe come to feel true repentance. He can think about the lives he took, about the life he might have had and the wife and children he will never have.