Posts by LisaRose

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The conventions and the memorial are a pain in the butt for me.

by John Aquila in

i can imagine those of you who have a spouse that is not awake and how hard it must be.

i have a 90 year old mom who is a jw and still puts in 12 hrs a month in field service.

the brothers and sisters are always picking her up for conventions, meetings and memorials and as much as i try to avoid them, there are times when i just cant.

LisaRose

The bible says that nothing should be added to the things written, but that doesn't stop them from making up all kinds of rules not in the bible. It's not that fractions are wrong, its that there is nothing wrong with taking blood in the first place. This splitting hairs is just their attempt to get out ofan embarrassing doctrine they won't admit was wrong in the first place.

Also not in the bible:

Judicial committees

A governing body

Field service reports

Telling people how to spend their time

Not watching R rated movies

No eating birthday cake

A specific number of hours in meetings

No higher education

And on and on and on. The Watchtower has made up all these rules when there is nothing in the bible that justifies this kind of micromanaging of people's lives. They make a few things a conscience matter to give the illusion of people having control over their lives, but then give the distinct impression people are really better off just not doing the thing. They have created a whole group of people can't think for themselves.

They are so concerned with obsessing over peoples sex lives and making sure they don't have any free time they have completely lost the meaning of what being a Christian is. If they believe Jesus died for our sins, why are they so obsessed with rules? Jesus said that you will know who are Christ's disciples because they have love among themselves, something that is completely lacking in most congregations. Instead they have a group of people trained to judge each other over every little matter.

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Why Jehovah Does Not Want An Effective Preaching Work

by konceptual99 in

so we all know how ineffectual the preaching work really is.

we also know how much the wts hypes up the scope and scale of the global preaching effort.

what the gb should be doing however is emphasising the ineffectiveness of the preaching work.

LisaRose

Yes, it was much more doom and gloom back in the day. I think there was a lot more fear of war in general. 1965 was only twenty years after WW2. Their was Vietnam, Cambodia, and the cold war between the U.S. and Russia. If you haven't seen Dr. Strangelove, it's not only a brilliant comedy but a commentary on people's fear of communism and the possibility of a nuclear war. The Watchtower certainly played on those fears.

It's not like we don't have war now, but I think the fear of a global conflagration is much less these days, so they just can't play on people's fears as much as they used to be able to. Obviously they have to change tactics. "The world s going to hell in a handbasket" thing just doesn't work. Now it's "things are peaceful, it must be a bad sign, be afraid, be very afraid". This isn't going to work with the public, they are just trying to keep the faithful in line.

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venting: My wife is in cult mode again! she tried to start a fight..

by goingthruthemotions in

so when i was at luch today, my wife was in full cult mode.

she started in on me about us not being able to hang with other witnesses and when i go to the meetings with her that i don't talk with nobody nor pay attention and act angry.

i told her that i don't want to fight and i have better things to do than argue.

LisaRose

I agree with Scully, you have win her over, you are in competition with the religion.

We women are suckers for romance, use that fact. I will tell you the most romantic thing my husband ever told me. It's been years and I still remember it. We were being romantic, if you get my drift, and he stopped and looked deep into my eyes and said "I think you are beautiful, but I am making love to the woman you are on the inside".

All is fair in love and war.

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Stupid things JWs say

by deanxxx in

ok we all say stupid things (probably on a daily basis in my case) but my mother (a jw) was told by another member that she doesn't have a conscience because anyone who smiles as much as she does simply can't have a conscience.

i bet you can guess the person who said it to her has a face like a wet weekend.. i guess the reasoning is: if you had a conscience you wouldn't have much to smile about because you'd be overwhelmed with guilt and worry.

what a load of old bollox that cult is eh?.

LisaRose

That person is probably just jealous your mom is happy and she is not. Your mother should quote the scripture that says Jehovah is a happy God and the one that says "happy are the ones doing the will of Jehovah". She should say that if she is not joyful it would mean she isn't being blessed by Jehovah. The best defence is a good offence.

There are people like that wherever you go, but the JWs do seem to attract more than their fair share of them. I call them fun sponges, they soak up all the fun wherever they go.

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Why Jehovah Does Not Want An Effective Preaching Work

by konceptual99 in

so we all know how ineffectual the preaching work really is.

we also know how much the wts hypes up the scope and scale of the global preaching effort.

what the gb should be doing however is emphasising the ineffectiveness of the preaching work.

LisaRose

A lot of war = The end

No wars = The end

This is just wishful thinking on their part. They can see their is no urgency to the preaching work on the part of the rank and file, and that is costing them money because no placements, no donations. They are trying to do anything they can to motivate people but they are like the boy who cried wolf, people have heard ot all before, it gets harder and harder to get people scared.

And I dont buy it that people will go flocking into the religion if conditions are bad enough. Most people dont know what they teach anyway.

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Has this been discussed, the WT Letter about use of K.Halls ?

by Phizzy in

LisaRose

It's a slap in the face to those who contributed to and help build a kingdom hall that was close to them. I think some people will meekly accept it while others will not be happy to be so inconvenienced. I am sure some will figure out that it's more about the Watchtower's bottom line and less about the needs of the congregation.

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Are There Good People Out There?

by LaurenM in

even though i'm no longer mentally a jw (i still technically am) i do recognize that there are some benefits to being raised one.

for example, the first (and only so far) wordly guy i was involved with had to smoke weed every day and got drunk all the time and that was his idea of fun.

i couldn't help but feel bad for him.

LisaRose

Thanks everyone for your comments eo far! I do know that not all non-JWs are "bad". I guess it's just hard to get that mentality out of your head when you've been taught it for so long..and of course "bad" and "good" is a very relative thing..

It's understandable you get thoughts like that because you have been in a cult that uses mind control. It's hard for you to see it at this point, but they do a good job of making people doubt themselves and fear life outside the organization. They are like sound bites that go off in your head, "worldly people are all bad" "the Watchtower is the only safe place", etc. It takes years for this to go away completely. Just hang in there and give yourself some time to figure out who you are as a person and what you need in a partner. Once you do that you will be in a better position to know the right person when you find them.

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4 versions of Jesus resurrection- all different

by purrpurr in

i've been reading more and studying about the bible .

it was brought to my notice that out of the four different versions of jesus resurrection they do not back each other up.

instead they contradict each other a lot.

LisaRose

Saying the bible doesn't contradict itself is like taking a square peg and cutting it down and then using a hammer to force it to go into a round hole. And then you go around and telling everyone it fits, and if anyone mentions the gaps you tell them they aren't looking at it right.

What were Jesus' last words?

Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

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Are There Good People Out There?

by LaurenM in

even though i'm no longer mentally a jw (i still technically am) i do recognize that there are some benefits to being raised one.

for example, the first (and only so far) wordly guy i was involved with had to smoke weed every day and got drunk all the time and that was his idea of fun.

i couldn't help but feel bad for him.

LisaRose

Sorry, I don't buy it that there are benefits to being raised JW. Just because the guy you chose to get involved with did drugs, it doesn't mean every so called "worldly person" does them. There are lots of good, drug free people out there, and lots of JWs do drugs on the down low also. My husband was never a JW and he doesn't do drugs, nor do I.

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Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White Countries for Everyone!

by seahorse321 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to assimilate, i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

LisaRose

Go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all full up here.