Posts by LisaRose

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Historical Meanings of Sheol & Hades

by Perry in

for those of you interested in getting to the bottom of the watchtower's teaching on sheol, hades, condition of the dead etc.

; this information is about as good as it gets.

the idea of consciousness after death was widely accepted from israel's earliest times, contrary to what the watchtower would have its members believe.. the lexicographical evidence is so clear that the great princeton scholar, b. b. warfield; stated that with modern hebrew scholars, there is no hesitation to allow with all heartiness that israel from the beginning of its recorded history cherished the most settled conviction of the persistence of the soul in life after death.

LisaRose

This is one area where the JWs actually made sense to me. I cannot reconcile a God of love torturing someone for eternity because they picked the wrong religion. I don't care what the bible says about it one way or the other, it doesn't make sense.

If a parent deliberately burns their child as punishment they considered criminals and are locked up, why is God given a pass for something a thousand times worse? It would be cruel and vindictive, especially when you consider that there are thousands of religions and your place of birth dictates which one you get to belong to. If God would do that he is not a loving heavenly father but a monster

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

LisaRose

I don't hate this woman, I totally get why she is doing what she is doing because as a JW I believed homosexuality was a sin, but I think she is very wrong to make this about her religion. It's not her job to decide who gets to be married, that is defined by law, she was elected to do her duties in accordance with the law, she is failing in her duties. If, for religious reasons, she didn't believe in divorce and remarriage (obviously not a problem for her, but some religious people do believe that) she would not be allowed to deny divorced people a marriage license, it's just as wrong to deny a marriage license to two gay people. Her choice is to carry out her duties, as defined by the law, or resign from her position. She is completely wrong to do neither.

I believe they will seek financial sanctions against her, at which point I hope she will resign her position or change her stance. As a last resort they could send her to jail, but I think they will try to avoid that, and I hope she sees reason.

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The personal cost of Great Power Politics

by fulltimestudent in

LisaRose

I saw the picture, it made me cry. I wonder what individuals can do to help ease this suffering? Is the red cross doing anything? It seems crazy that more isn't being done except to shut borders and trains, when these people wouldn't be coming if they had any options.

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need input: My wife is at it again...this time about the faithful and discreet slave

by goingthruthemotions in

so you all know that i go with my wife to the meeting to protect the kids from the drival and pacify her.

tonight we are sitting there and she points to mathew and says something about the faithful and discreet slave and she said eplain this.

so breaking away from what i was reading in the meeting..." in search of christian freedom by franz"...i said.

LisaRose

It's cult mind control at work. She believes that what the Watchtower teaches is the truth, so seeing something that is in conflict with that will arrouse cognitive dissonance. CG is an uncomfortable state, so she has to resolve that, the only way to resolve that is to fall back to the idea that "The Watchtower is the the truth", so your argument must be false, end of story. You will probably never get anywhere by challenging her like that, you are attempting to unwind years of conditioning, you are just causing her to put up her defences. Direct confrontation like that almost never works, in my opinion.

In my experience people break free of this in a couple of ways. One way is that something happens to them that is so extremely painful they are forced to confront the notion that the Watchtower is not the truth. Mistreatment by the elders or a fellow JW or other difficult situations can cause that.

The other is if the person learns critical thinking skills and starts seeing the logical fallacies on their own.

I have seen a few experiences where someone helped a loved one out of the organization, but it was extremely difficult and required a lot of patience. If you want to save your marriage and get your wife out, you need to back off for now. Work on strengthening your marriage for now. Rebuilt that trust and look for ways to get her to learn to think.

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JW's aren't the only ones telling crazy stories

by JeffT in

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ran into this one this morning.

this story has all kinds of wrong in it, see my entry in the comments section.http://ldsmag.com/is-this-story-true-pearl-harbor-pilot-couldnt-bomb-hawaii-temple/

LisaRose

Yeah, many religions have modern urban legends, sometimes they are even the same stories with details switched around a bit. The thief under the bed story is told at churches, also the story about the killer who didn't kill a woman who came to his door because he saw two burly men standing on either side of her.

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FMF 100th Post: Don't Go Through Life, Grow Through Life.

by freemindfade in

i have been waiting to post this 100th post to come up with something half decent.

while i was driving this morning this is what i was thinking about.

there are a lot of new folks on here, and who knows how many lurkers checking in.

LisaRose

Excellent advice. Looking back I can see where I learned some bad patterns from my years as a JW, even after I left it took me a while to learn to question things, to not do as I'm told, and to keep learning and asking questions. It does take time to get right of mind control, but I wish I had pushed harder at it.

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My parents sent the elders after me

by atacrossroads in

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i stopped regulary attending meetings and going in field service in january.

the elders have left me alone for the most part i think because of my jw husband.

last week my parents came over and told me i needed to come back to meetings.

LisaRose

Wow, it's crazy that your parents tried to plan physically force you to go to the meetings, that is really over the top. You are an adult, married woman, not a child. From now on just say that your parents and those elders have stumbled you by their unloving behavior. That puts the ball in their court, it's something they use to prevent people from doing normal things that are allowed per the bible, as in " if you did that, some people might get stumbled". Turn everything back to them and their atrocious behavior.

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I almost gave up today except for a girl her tried to throw herself infront of two cars.............

by umbertoecho in

this may sound insane but i literally have blood on my hands as i have just come home from a counselling session that went wrong...i wanted to collate all that has happened and record it...hospital policy is against it.

i said "what am i alive for then if not to tell the truth" she tut tutted and i walked out sadly in despair.. when i got to the ground floor there was a young girl screaming her head off.

she was afraid, that is all she was...........afraid.

LisaRose

Wow, that is amazing. I guess you never really know what you can do until you are in a situation like that. You were very brave.

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JW UN Rumor

by ivanatahan in

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yes, i have returned.. a short recap of major events since my inactivity began: i finally revealed to my parents that i do not believe the same thing they believe in (after i was caught smooching my girlfriend by a family of good-for-nothing pieces of human feces), and of course they view themselves as failed parents who were unable to brainwash their children.

that is, of course, the reason why they are much more controlling over what i do in my life now (my mom even tried having a "bible study" with me).

i told them everything and i was unable to dent their jw imposed mind force field, while also exposing a clear jw misunderstanding of probability, evolution, history, logic/reason, and the big bang theory.. in a conversation i had with my mother a few weeks back (i also heard this rumor before, but my mother told me it again), she mentioned how the un held a summit of all religions and when the jws presented themselves and mentioned their preaching work warning of the coming un ban on religion (referring to an international organization who can't even prevent genocide, much less impose human rights), a un official came up to the jw who presented the cult and told him to "speed up the preaching work", because they plan on doing the ban soon.. it saddens me to think of how ignorant jws are in relation to the principles upon which the un was founded and being unaware that the un at least has some sense as to not ban religion, but this rumor, as ridiculous as it is, needs to be put at rest.

LisaRose

I used to hear that back in the seventies, so it's been around a while. It's nonsense, just something to get people scared. Did you know the Watchtower belonged to the UN for a while? When they got caught they tried to pretend it was so they could use their library, but you don't need to join to use the library. It came out in the nineties, they eventually dropped their NGO (non government organization ) membership. This was after they condemned@ the UN for years calling it the scarlet colored beast in revelation.

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

LisaRose

I am glad that's over. It was ridiculous for her to think she didn't have to do her job and marry people because of her religious beliefs. She is a county clerk, it's not her decision who qualifies to get married, that is defined by law. It would be like a racist refusing to marry a mixed race couple, the courts are some imply not going to allow it. If she feels that strongly about it she can quit her job.