Posts by LisaRose

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Another Kim Davis inspired self-invented "gay issue"

by Simon in

what is it about some of these self proclaimed "christians" who go seeking persecution when it don't exist?.

we've had a case locally in calgary where the initial reports sounded like the person had a legitimate claim: a bus driver didn't want to drive the bus in a gay pride parade and said he'd resign if they made him and that the local transit company was threatening him to force him to do it.. except it was all invented ... by him !.

they already proactively told him that there was no danger that he would be asked to drive that bus in the parade (i.e.

LisaRose

Rat person, You obviously know nothing about Gay people that you would ask that. They have been hated and discriminated against for centuries. They have been told they are evil, an abomination, unnatural and sinful, all for something about which they had no choice. They have pride because they stood up for themselves and said no more to the haters and the religious bigots. They have pride because it takes makes courage to tell your parents that you are gay, to tell your employer, to tell your church.

I have read accounts here on JWN that broke my heart, people who hated being gay, who fought their nature, who tried to be normal, but who ultimately could not do so no matter how much they prayed, and who lost beloved family and friends because of it. Having gone through that and done the hard work to accept themselves as they are, not how they wished to be, they have pride and rightly so.

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Implications of gay marriage ruling

by Rattigan350 in

while many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.

but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.

five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.

LisaRose

TakeOffTheCrown4 hours agoI cannot believe any of you were ever baptized. What are you going to endorse next? Bestiality. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man marrying a man; or a woman marrying a woman.
Endorse this type of behavior on an internet forum if you desire. But keep this in mind, Jehovah knows who you are.

I was baptized in May, 1969 at age 14. I prayed every day to Jehovah for wisdom and knowledge and guidance. I faithfully followed the Watchtower rules, staying in a bad marriage and trying to be a good Christian wife for 28 years, to the point that my health broke down and life no longer seemed worth living. At that point I concluded Jehovah either did not exist or didn't care about me and that following the advice of the Watchtower had been a big mistake. So your "Jehovah knows who you are" made me laugh, I've already been through worse than dying at Armageddon ever could be.

So, back to your comments on same sex marriage. There is no correlation between bestiality and homosexuality, except in the imagination of those who don't know anything about either. It's the old "slippery slope" logical falacy, that permitting one type of behavior that is condemned in the bible means you necessarily will eventually allow all other things condemned in the bible. This is not rational. A certain percentage of humans are only attracted to their same sex, It's a fact. It's a fact that they will never be having happy in marriage to someone of the opposite sex. It's a fact that they can be happy, fulfilled and committed to someone of their own sex. Why this is of any concern to you I cannot imagine. You are free to only marry per your religion, no one is forcing you into a same sex marriage. Gay people just want what you already have, the right to marry the person they love and have the same legal protections afforded heterosexual couples.

Yes, the bible condemns homosexuality, as well as a hundred other things. The problem is using the bible to arbitrate morality in the first place. The bible allows rape, as less long as the rapist compensates the father for his financial loss, the woman having no say in the matter. Slavery was acceptable in the bible, and Jesus did not condemn the practice. Men and children were slaughtered in war, women were taken as concubines, but hey, it's all OK because Jehovah said so.

So, no, I don't accept the bible as a guide to morality. I find the "consenting adults" rule to be good enough for me. This is a higher level of morality than was used in the bible, since there is no rape and no slavery allowed under the consenting adults rule. Animals are not consenting adults, so no bestiality. Children are not consenting adults, so no pedophiles (you do know the Watchtower has a problem with pedophiles, right?).

So go back to the Kingdom Hall where you can live in happy ignorance, talking about how degenerate the world is and how happy you are that Jehovah will soon annihilate all those wicked gay people and others who don't believe as you do. The thought of the horrible death of millions of men, women and children doesn't bother you, because of course you are such a moral person.

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Today's Special Day Assembly Expenses and the $10,499 Deficit. Silent Majority?

by Tenacious in

today i attended a one-day assembly in my hometown.

i knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.

sure enough, after lunch came the announcement.

LisaRose

They have used the phoney assembly hall expenses scam for a long time, I think people are getting wise to it. This seems even more blatant and fake than in the past. It doesn't take a genius to figure out it all doesn't add up.

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Another Kim Davis inspired self-invented "gay issue"

by Simon in

what is it about some of these self proclaimed "christians" who go seeking persecution when it don't exist?.

we've had a case locally in calgary where the initial reports sounded like the person had a legitimate claim: a bus driver didn't want to drive the bus in a gay pride parade and said he'd resign if they made him and that the local transit company was threatening him to force him to do it.. except it was all invented ... by him !.

they already proactively told him that there was no danger that he would be asked to drive that bus in the parade (i.e.

LisaRose

The conservative Christian right tried to make a big deal about a judge who declined to perform weddings. They claimed that if Kim Davis must issue marriage licences to all, this juddge should have to perform weddings for all. But a judges job is obviously to...Judge. performing weddings has always been optional, it's not part of their job, per se. They are as ready to claim persecution as the Watchtower. While claiming to only want rights, what they really want is privilege.

Ikea In Store comments

by LisaRose in

so, apparently ikea apparently has in store comments (who knew?i don't shop there that much.

), where customers can write their own reviews of products for others to see.

it seems like that would be asking for trouble, and some people are having a bit of fun with it.

LisaRose

So, apparently Ikea apparently has in store comments (who knew?I don't shop there that much.), where customers can write their own reviews of products for others to see. It seems like that would be asking for trouble, and some people are having a bit of fun with it.

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My parents sent the elders after me

by atacrossroads in

jw
friends

i stopped regulary attending meetings and going in field service in january.

the elders have left me alone for the most part i think because of my jw husband.

last week my parents came over and told me i needed to come back to meetings.

LisaRose

Welcome finally me. Yes, of course we all do feel stupid for falling for this. But don't beat yourself up, we were victims of mind control. The people that did this knew what they were doing and manipulated us, just remember that and pat yourself on the back for figuring it out, many have not.

Lisa 🌹

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Arctic Ice Increasing

by Perry in

arctic has gained hundreds of miles of ice the last three years.

red shows the september 2012 minimum extent.

green shows the current extent, which is likely the minimum for 2015. the arctic has gained hundreds of miles of ice over the past three years, much of which is thick, multi-year ice.. article.

LisaRose

Perry will believe what he wants too, he never lets facts get in the way.

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I've decided to make a difference that REALLY matters

by Mrs. Eden in

hello friends!today is a sad day for me, as seven months have gone by since my mother passed away after a decades-long fight with breast cancer..

because the witnessing/preaching/teaching work doesn't make any sense to me anymore; because it's not about any "truth"; and because it's basically useless, i've decided to quit doing it.

instead, i've decided to do something that actually can make a real difference in other people's lives.

LisaRose

Awesome! I am sure you will get more personal satisfaction helping others in a concrete way rather than selling magazines.

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New hominid Species Discovered in South Africa

by cofty in

homo naledi has been added to our family tree but exactly where, is still to be discovered.

read more here.... over 1500 fossils making up 15 separate individuals have been discovered in a cave near johannesburg.

here are a few highlights of it's anatomy.... the skull was globular, like a member of our genus but the brain was small and primitive.

LisaRose

our reply sounds like that of North Korean ruler. Even if we go by your reply it would mean that people like Einstein who said, “Religion without science is crippled, while science without religion is lame” have not read any books on science.

That is absurd. Stating facts does not make you a dictator. Exaggerate much? And what does Einstein have to do with any of this? He believed religion had a place, but he didn't use religion in his work, just SCIENCE. And you are ignoring the first part of his equation, that religion without science is crippled and using religion to justify not accepting established scientific fact, something Einstein would never have done.

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Need clarification from someone who speaks JW: What is an "apostate" ...or... an "apostate website?"

by Faithful Witness in

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/27/jehovahs-witnesses-destroyed-notes-about-child-sex-abuse-inquiry-told.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/27/us-australia-religion-sexcrimes-iduskcn0q10ih20150727.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/australia-jehovah-witness-sex-abuse-hannigan-lklv.cnn.

LisaRose

News sources such as the Washington post are not technically apostate, that is reserved for former JWs who speak out about the Watchtower in any negative way. But most JWs will react to anything negative said about the organization and believe they are lies propagated by apostates, even if it's a qualified news source.

You are correct that the word apostate, (which is not even found in the bible btw), has a powerful negative connotation. An apostate is considered a bitter, angry person who Hayes Jehovah and Who wants to steal the faith of believing Jehovah's Wittnesses. They are considered the lowest of the low, pond scrum. It's cult mind control at work, most JWs will shut down if they believe you might be apostate and not consider anything you have to say. That's why it's hard to get a believing JW to believe anything negative that is said about the Watchtower.

If I ever have a chance to talk to a JW again I would ask them why they are so afraid of what ex JWs have to say. If what they have is "The Truth", why are they so afraid to simply listen to an alternative point of view? Truth should stand up to scrutiny and in the age of the internet facts can be verified. A news source such as the Washington Post would not print something just on the word of an ex JW, they would make sure there was proof.