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  New member checking in

  by Old Major in

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  been reading for about 2 and a half years, thought i would take the plunge and sign up.. my circumstances... i live in uk, serving as ms. i am fully awake.

  i can not leave due to family, so just treating the meetings as a bit of a social club.

  i would like to give out more details, but i think you all know the drill.. complete disillusionment and i suppose natural curiosity woke me up.. don't know what else to say right now, just hello, and i hope to get to know some of you guys better.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome, glad you could join us.

  Lisa 🌹
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  Top three reason for it to be cult and/or not the true religion.

  by Powermetal4ever in

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  alright, i want everyone to list your top three reasons for jw to be cult and/or not the true religion.

  1.you can't look, or wear whatever you want.. 2. blah.

  3. blah.

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  LisaRose

  1) Their practice of shunning, which breaks up families and causes severe harm to some, including suicides. Showing no mercy or concern for those who have mental issues or other problems, being more concerned with punishment than healing or care.

  2) Their glorification of ignorance by insisting the bible is literal, and that we didn't evolve, despite the mountain of scientific evidence that we did, also their ridiculous restrictions on higher education.

  3) Pretending they know when Armageddon will come, despite multiple failed predictions in the past, convincing people to make life changing decisions based on those predictions, then refusing to take any responsibility for it. Doctrine flip flops, especially the generation doctrine, which has been redefined to the point of being absurd.
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  Meditation linked to increased age, health, and smarts?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently read how advanced meditation increases the brains waves, higher frequency alpha waves which is linked to higher state of consciousness and intelligence.

  now i saw this article, http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/health/can-meditation-really-slow-aging/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 that it also increases life and health, etc.

  i haven't really read or researched meditation but i was wondering if anybody has got into it, into a 'non religious' aspect of it.

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  LisaRose

  I feel that formal meditation is not for everyone. But, rather, that meditation can be found in listening to music, playing an instrument, knitting, lying on a beach reading a book, working out or running or climbing. The mind can enter a phase of focus or non-focus, depending on you and your needs.

  It's true, any hobby you do that is deeply engrossing to you can give you some of the benefits of meditation. But I find if I really want to get into a deep meditation, which is where I see the biggest improvement, I need to do do at least some the real deal.
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  I gotta ask,... Is the org gonna fade from itself and just take what money that is left and run?

  by gda in

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  i just can't shake this odd thought...

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  LisaRose

  They are nothing without their power over people's lives. I don't think money was ever the main motive, it's about power and prestige. They are not going anywhere, I think they would rather be demi-gods in the small pond of JW Dom than wealthy nobodies.
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  C.O.'s Are Perfectly Safe...

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ... until they have fulfilled their role in the org's master plan to sit down with the bodies of elders in the circuits and ascertain which congregations should be merged or consolidated.

  this "culling" of k.h.

  's will now have to be accelerated - considering the panic to rake in cash.. after the c.o.

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  LisaRose

  It's a hierarchy, they need someone to enforce the rules, I can't see them getting rid of circuit overseers right now. They especially need to keep an eye on the money and make sure the congregations are not holding back on donations. I think its possible they will cut down on how many they have though. Since the main point will be to protect the income stream they won't spend as much time with the congregations, just meet with the elders and make sure they are not withholding funds. It will become more of a bill collector/enforcer function, pay up or sleep with the fishes.
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  truth

  by Sabin in

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  2. friends

  i`ve been thinking, a thread was put up about a month ago asking the question " why me?

  basically why some of us find out ttatt while others are so blinded, good, sincere people that we love.

  well after some consideration i have come to the conclusion that 1) some are in the truth 2) others want truth.

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  LisaRose

  Yes, I am an idealist. I believed in it, and due to mind control I wasn't inclined to question things, but when I realized it wasn't the truth I left. I could never have stayed in a religion I didn't believe in no matter what the consequences.

  I suspect that a certain percentage of JWs are idealists like me, another percentage are hardcore believers, their faith is in the Watchtower, not God, they will stay no matter what. I think there is a third group who are social JWs, they are in for family reasons or convenience. They won't necessarily leave if they find out disturbing things about the Watchtower, but they will leave the minute it's not convenient or their family leaves.
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  A call from family - Armageddon this month!

  by kaik in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i very seldom receive a call from my jw siblings, i mean seldom.

  i can count them on my hand in past 10 years.

  while we talk about mom a lot and i am in touch with her, i was very surprised when i received this call.

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  LisaRose

  That's hilarious. They are sending out more pioneers because they can't afford to pay for their living expenses at Bethel, it's really just a big layoff. If course if they can sell it to the rank and file as a strategic move die to the Armageddon being close, so much the better.

  You should have made a wager with your siblings that Armageddon wasn't coming by October 31st. If it doesn't come, he owes you $200, if it does come, you leave him $200 in your will.
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  No the WT Borg is not closing! That's Wild Dreaming!

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no the wt borg is not closing!

  that's wild dreaming!

  they have been changing directions for a while now, and for whatever reasons, what is happening now is a part of that change!

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  LisaRose

  Oops. Steve, I hit the dislike button on your comment, I meant to hit like, I hate when that happens. You are right, most posters here do not believe the Watchtower is going away (we wish!). We are just interested to note the unusual changes going on in the organization, which are unprecedented, no one can deny that.

  Let's face it, Rubber Lips Lett could be caught in bed with a ten year old, have it on the network news with video proof, and many Jehovah's Witnesses would believe it was all Apostate lies.

  But they are not as all powerful as they appeared to be, that is clear.

  Disclaimer: Lett does not molest children as far as I know.
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  Meditation linked to increased age, health, and smarts?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently read how advanced meditation increases the brains waves, higher frequency alpha waves which is linked to higher state of consciousness and intelligence.

  now i saw this article, http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/health/can-meditation-really-slow-aging/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 that it also increases life and health, etc.

  i haven't really read or researched meditation but i was wondering if anybody has got into it, into a 'non religious' aspect of it.

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  LisaRose

  Yes, that's pretty much true. That's notion that meditation is in any way associated with demons is completely baseless, yet it's one thing ex JWs are often still afraid of. As JWs we were often forced to bury or hide our true feelings, it was just not acceptable to voice discontent with any part of JW life, you feel guilty for even thinking about some things. Years of living like that is very detrimental to the psyche, it's kind of like being in an abusive relationship. Of course the ideal would be therapy or counseling, but not everyone has that available to them. Even if you do have access to therapy, meditation would be helpful to deal with difficult emotions and buried feelings.

  It's a shame more people do not try it.
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  Why don't you do anything?

  by WireRider in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm not jw, so i see this all standing up and very clear from an outsider perspective (i am still seeking my path).

  i joined the blog a few weeks ago.

  i dated a divorced jw (jw from birth) for a couple of years recently.

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  LisaRose

  It's a good idea in theory. One problem is that not every EX JW is active on these boards. This is the board that has the most action, but even though there are thousands of members, not that many are active at any given time. So I'm not sure we could get enough people to make an impact. Possibly Simon, who owns JWN, could generate an email to them, if he felt that was appropriate, and I doubt if he would. He takes privacy issues seriously, and many who come here need their anonymity.

  The problem with many ex JWs is that a lot of them don't know the truth about the truth. They left for various reasons but still think it's the only true religion, they are still under cult mind control and are afraid of us so called apostates. I didn't look for JWN until eight years after I left, I still sort of believed the myth of the scary, bitter apostates.

  Still, it's an idea worth exploring. I think there is a thread right now working on something like that. This may be a pivotal time for the Watchtower. They are obviously in some kind of financial trouble and are coming up with ridiculous explanations for their generation teaching. There must be a lot of people in the organization who are having doubts, it would be great to take advantage of that.

  Another problem is there needs to be someone to spearhead that. There are some EX JW activists out there, and there was an an activist EX JW organization, whose name we must not mention, that tried to do something like that, but they made some major missteps and burned a lot of bridges in the ex JW community, some of the members were banned from here. So you would need a new group or individual to do this, I don't know of anyone who is in a position to take it on, or has the necessary expertise.