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  One of my JW friends posted this on Facebook. Totally cringeworthy!

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  LisaRose

  I am currently reading a book that was recommend by another poster about cognitive dissonance and why people defend bad choices called 'Mistakes were made(but not by me)'.

  It explains why people only believe information that validates their choice, discounting information that does not. Not surprising, but what is interesting is the more people have invested in a decision, the more they think they were right and the less likely they were to believe they made a mistake, regardless of whether it actually was a good decision or not.

  They gave the example of a doomsday cult, whose leader predicted the end of the world on a specific night. The leader believed she would be lifted into outer space along with her followers. Some waited with her at her home, some stayed at home to wait the end.

  Many of her followers quit their jobs, gave away their homes, and dispersed their savings, waiting for the end. Who needs money in outer space? Others waited in fear or resignation in their homes. (Mrs. Keech’s own husband, a nonbeliever, went to bed early and slept soundly through the night as his wife and her followers prayed in the living room.) Festinger made his own prediction: The believers who had not made a strong commitment to the prophecy—who awaited the end of the world by themselves at home, hoping they weren’t going to die at midnight—would quietly lose their faith in Mrs. Keech. But those who had given away their possessions and were waiting with the others for the spaceship would increase their belief in her mystical abilities. In fact, they would now do everything they could to get others to join them.

  That is exactly what happened. Despite the fact that the leader was completely wrong, her most ardent followers became even more dedicated to her. Big surprise, she suddenly had a new vision. The faith of the little group had spared the world from destruction. They became even more convinced of their belief and began proselytizing. Sound familiar? The Watchtower was wrong about 1914, but they simply came up with a new theory that the return of jesus was invisible and people believed, because they needed to believe. An impartial observer would see it for what it was, an excuse for failure, but they were not impartial, they needed it to be true.
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  One of my JW friends posted this on Facebook. Totally cringeworthy!

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  The person they are really trying so hard to convince is themselves. If they were truly happy/fulfilled/excited about being a Jehovah's Witness, would they really need to go on about it like that? Truly happy people are not bothered by the possibility that some people might not agree with their life choices.
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  We're not trying to convert you

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  recently i saw a link to an article from the st. petersburg times (one of these links on the side of this forum to sometimes old articles).

  it was an article about jws and their preaching work.

  imo, middle to favorable.. but the one thing was from a door where the jws are saying they're not here to convert anyone, they just want to share a scripture.. what sort of bs is this?

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  LisaRose

  No, we are not trying to convert you.

  No, we are not a cult.

  We abhor child abuse and do not tolerate it in our organization.

  We believe in families, following bible principles as one of Jehovah's witnesses will ensure a happy family life. It's not our fault if you cannot talk to your husband, wife, child, mother, father, etc., you should have stopped them from leaving.

  This system of things can't last much longer, becoming a Jehovah's witness is the only way to ensure your survival at Armageddon.

  Prayer, meeting attendance, field service, bible study and obedience are all you need to be happy, if you are not happy you need to work harder at those things.

  We only disfellowship unrepentant sinners. It is, of course, a sin to not believe in god's appointed faithful slave, which we appointed ourselves to be. So, if you doubt us, that is unrepentant sin.

  We do not tell others to refuse blood transfusions, they just decided that based on their own bible based conscience.

  No, we never predicted the world would end in 1897, 1914, 1925, 1975. Some mysterious, unnamed people just imagined that, WE never said that. So believe us when we say it will be very, very, very soon.

  A generation is a lifetime. Well, two lifetimes, if subject a knew subject b who lived earlier, or if their lives overlapped,. Actually, it could overlap by three generations, you never know. But definitely in OUR Lifetime. Maybe.

  The lies just get deeper the further you wade it. Best wear hip boots.
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  The Old Age

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  so now that most of us have come to a semi truthful understanding that the witnesses are wrong about evolutionist, there is a certain question that i have always had.

  now if you were to ask any jw, they'd recite a complete fallacy from scientist regarding this.

  but what is you guys input of this.

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  There is a huge difference between science and religious belief. Science is tested, retested, challenged and must be proven. Although new things are discovered every day, it is a refinement of knowledge, not a reversal of previous knowledge. All though mistakes may be made, they are small and soon challenged and discarded through scientific method.

  Most scientific dating methods are confirmed and reconfirmed. Often more than one dating methid is used, the results are remarkedly consistent across different dating methods. To the person not trained in scientific method, it might seem that there is an equal amount of belief required to put your faith in it, but that is not the case

  If religion were the only source of knowledge, we would still believe the sun revolved around the earth.
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  Witnesses - Ever Wondered Why You're So Tired After Assemblies/Meetings?

  by The Searcher in

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  recently shared this with me.. they compared the tiredness they felt after attending an assembly and meetings, and noted how much worse it was than actually working and studying hard for hours for their secular employment!

  why were they so exhausted after an assembly/meeting?

  no, it wasn't satan.

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  Yeah, such a snore fest, I hated them. All that time, energy and money to hear the same old thing we heard at the Kingdom Hall, just more of it. The last few years I couldn't make myself go.
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  Any African in here?

  by sankara23 in

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  hello guys, i've been an off and on reader of the various discussion threads here.

  i'm sankara (obviously not my real name), a third generation born-in, currently an m.s, and yeah, writing from nigeria.

  discovered ttatt a couple of years back while i was in college.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome. We here in the U.S. have noticed the growth slow down no matter how many hours are spent in field service, people are just more aware of things, the internet is everywhere, they are not getting new recruits, except in the foreign language congregations.

  We have noticed growth still continues in areas that don't have as much access to the internet and higher education.

  Don't be discouraged, maybe you can be helpful into letting interested people know that the Watchtower is not what they claim. You may not be able to do so openly, but a well placed letter to bible studies to make them aware of the lies the Watchtower tells might do a lot of good.

  You could be the double agent/spy.
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  Mandatory Reporters of Child Abuse

  by Dissonant15 in

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  all states in the us mandate health care workers and teachers to report suspected child abuse to law enforcement.

  this year our commonwealth expanded the law to include clergy, and to include a mandatory two hour training on what to look for and how to report, required for all mandatory reporters.. my coworker at the hospital said she and her husband did the training together, because her husband volunteers in the sunday school at the church, they required him to take it too.

  i asked several witnesses when this law came into effect if all the elders and ms are going to be taking the training and everyone looked at me like i was an alien and they had no idea what the heck i was talking about.

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  The clergy usually only get an exemption when it is a confessional type of arrangement, one priest, on confessor. Since the JWs do not have this arrangement the courts have usually ruled pentinent privilege does not apply to them. A JC cannot claim pertinent privilege because three elders are involved. All mandatory reporting laws in force do apply.

  The clergy-penitent privilege, clergy privilege, confessional privilege, priest-penitent privilege, clergyman-communicant privilege, or ecclesiastical privilege is an application of the principle ofprivileged communication that protects the contents of communications between a member of the clergy of any religious faith (a “clergy” is a minister, priest, rabbi, or other similar functionary of a religious organization, or an individual reasonably believed to be so by the person consulting him) and a penitent, who shares information in confidence. It stems from the principle of confessional privilege. It is a distinct concept from that of confidentiality (see non-disclosure agreement).
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  heartbroken and not sure what to do...

  by Khaleesi in

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  i don't know what to do.... i married last year and things have been very rocky.

  we dated for 4 years and did have normal issues but always had a lingering doubt something was just not right in our relationship-behavior to be more specific, he is not a jw, but i am.

  yes i know i married outside the "lord" but after my first marriage to a jw ended in divorce for physical abuse, i was glad i didn't married another jw.

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  LisaRose

  Sabin, OP is the original post. Sometimes people hit the dislike button by mistake, I've done that, some days I have fat fingers. I try to leave a post explaining that, but someone could have done that and not noticed.
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  heartbroken and not sure what to do...

  by Khaleesi in

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  i don't know what to do.... i married last year and things have been very rocky.

  we dated for 4 years and did have normal issues but always had a lingering doubt something was just not right in our relationship-behavior to be more specific, he is not a jw, but i am.

  yes i know i married outside the "lord" but after my first marriage to a jw ended in divorce for physical abuse, i was glad i didn't married another jw.

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  Forget the anniversary stuff, lack of intimacy would be the deal breaker for me. I am lucky to have that in my marriage, even though we are older. Sex and Intimcy is the glue that kind of holds things together, I can't imagine being married without that. What is the point then? Just to have someone to go out to dinner with once a week? You might as well be single, get a cat and make friends with your vibrator, and not have to put up with his issues. It's a major red flag this early in a relationship that he is just not feeling it.

  Maybe it's time for a separation while you think things through. If he doesn't see it's a problem and is not willing to deal with it are you ready to have a marriage without that?
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  heartbroken and not sure what to do...

  by Khaleesi in

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  i don't know what to do.... i married last year and things have been very rocky.

  we dated for 4 years and did have normal issues but always had a lingering doubt something was just not right in our relationship-behavior to be more specific, he is not a jw, but i am.

  yes i know i married outside the "lord" but after my first marriage to a jw ended in divorce for physical abuse, i was glad i didn't married another jw.

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  LisaRose

  very difficult and i am on a breaking point, I guess if he doesn't give much thought into our anniversary that is my sign...

  I don't think you are being fair to him to make this a make or break issue. You know Aspies don't pick up on social niceties, this is something even regular guys have problems with, so what chance does he have of knowing this is important to you?
  Don't get me wrong, I think you have a right to decide that life with someone with these issues is not what you want, but if you do decide to stay you need to spell out those things that are deal breakers, then learn to live with those things that are just petty annoyances.
  So tell him your anniversary is coming up and that it's important to you that he do something romantic for you that shows his commiment. One good thing about Aspergers is that once you do get through to him he will probably never forget it, this is a discussion you only need to have once, lol. Yes, it takes some of the romance away, but it's can be a good example of adjustment s you can make to have a successful marriage with someone who is different.
  
  And whatever he does, don't criticize him for it. If he thinks getting a vacuum cleaner is a romantic gesture, don't tell him otherwise. As they say, it's the thought that counts. I had an Aspie co-worker, I said something that hurt his feelings and he didn't talk to me for months.