https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4z2-sf4ky.
Ugh, that was painful to watch. The word apostate isn't even in the bible, so how could anyone have warned of them? And "wolves in sheep's clothing" are people who pretend to be believers but who are not. Apostates, otherwise known as people who left their former religion, are open about what they believe.
The only wolf in this scenario is rubber Lips Lett and his partners in crime.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Reasons Santa must be God:
He delivers presents to children all over the earth in one night, so obviously he is all powerful.
Millions believe in their hearts that he exists.
He has a white beard, so obviously he is old, so he must be very wise, therefore God.
I cannot accept a world without Santa, I know in my heart he must exist.
The poem that starts "twas the night before Christmas" speaks of him, it's been around a long time, many have read it, proving his existence
He has a magic sleigh and flying reindeer, and thousands of elves working for him, therefore God
And the number one thing that proves Santa must exist:
No one can prove he doesn't .
back at the end of last year my now ex got what he thought was a printed form letter from a woman at a kh down the street from us.
i insisted it was handwritten.
a few days go by and i decided to write this woman back.
we are madly in love with each other and she is in the process of being divorced.
let me make one thing clear i'm not the reason for the divorce.
she attempted to reconcile with him but to no avail.
In my experience, as a former member for thirty years, the long term outlook is not good. Being in a religion like this, her thoughts and emotions have been manipulated. She may be in love with you, but eventually the guilt over the relationship will get to her. If she does stay with you, her religion will be a factor in your relationship.
If you get married, she will feel obligated to raise your children in the religion. They discourage higher education, have strict requirements for attendance and door to door work. They do not allow blood transfusions, voting, holidays or association with non believers. They believe they are the only true religion, all other people will he destroyed at Armageddon, which will he soon.
I get that you love her and you think you can make this work out, but you should know what you are up againet. It's a cult, and they also are highly critical of other Christian religions, especially Catholicism.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Then again, science has found that strawberries and bananas DNA have similar characteristics to our own DNA
So what relevance does that have in the God/no God Debate?
i don't know what to do.... i married last year and things have been very rocky.
we dated for 4 years and did have normal issues but always had a lingering doubt something was just not right in our relationship-behavior to be more specific, he is not a jw, but i am.
yes i know i married outside the "lord" but after my first marriage to a jw ended in divorce for physical abuse, i was glad i didn't married another jw.
okay, so yes, i'm a born-in, but this point has always baffled me (and i guess i never bothered to research or ask).
what is the purpose of counting time in service?
when was it started and why?
Two reasons: Bragging and control. The Watchtower likes to brag about how many hours are reported worldwide, they feel the preaching sets them apart and proves they are doing God's will. Not mentioned is the fact that the hours are greatly inflated and mostly spent in time filling activities (driving around, donut breaks). For all the millions of hours reported, most people could not tell you what message they are supposedly preaching about, and that is only in areas where they do preach. Most people in China and Islamic countries have probably never even heard of JWs. As a control it's useful to the elders to know who are active and who may be straying from the fold.
All this is in contradiction to the scripture that says to not practice your righteousness in front of men, and to not be bragging. And having the elders bug you about your service report is not good shepherding and is not loving or kind. The bible don't mention a specific time requirement, does not mention field service reports, or pioneering. It doesn't classify people as active or inactive or irregular.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
I stopped believing because I simply saw no evidence that he or she exists. If I had not been raised with a belief in a creator and been told that he existed as an adult I would have not been convinced by the evidence at all. Even if the God of the bible did exist, he hasn't communicated with mankind in thousands of years, and the book he supposedly had written about himself is a contradictory mess that describes a jealous, petty tyrant, so why would I worship him if he did exist?
The evidence we evolved is overwhelming, our history is written in our DNA, so that explains how humans came to be, and that is a lot more believable that the genesis account, which couldn't have happened the way the bible said it did. A literal, earth wide flood? There are so many logical inconsistencies to that it doesn't merit discussion. We don't know (yet) how life started (abiogenesis), but I have full confidence it will be discovered and explained by science, whereas no one can explain how God came to be.
I used to wish I could believe in God, but I can no more believe in him than I can believe in the tooth fairy, as both seem equally unlikely to me. I have made my peace with that, feel happy and content in my life and optimistic about the future.
it feels so good to be free from the jdub cult!
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Welcome to the forum. Good for you for getting a full scholarship and getting an education. I am sad when I see young people throwing away their educational opportunities because of a pack of lies. The Awake said when I was young that people my age would never have time for a career in this system of things. I am almost retirement age, so they were so wrong, but they still tell young people the same thing.
Lisa 🌹
just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.i haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months.
i obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while.
" we missed you at the meeting last week.
Your parents cannot accept that they bet on the wrong horse so it doesn't matter what the facts are. Due to cognitive dissonance, they will automatically reject any information that conflicts with their belief system.
It's so ridiculous because they go door to door telling people to get out of false religion, but they never question their own beliefs. The bible says to "keep testing as to whether these things are so", but anybody that asks questions is vilified. If what they have is "the truth", it should be easily proved, lies should be easily disproved, so why are they so afraid of "apostate lies"?
This is why they demonize so called apostates (a word not even in the bible). They are afraid because they know they are wrong. If their arguments for 607 were sound, they could easily publish a book or pamphlet refuting the 587 date reasoning, laying it all out so that anyone could understand it, but they don't because they cannot defend the 607 date.
