Posts by LisaRose

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Were you beaten as a child?

by purrpurr in

i've been confronting my mother with her dubious parenting skills (abuse) of me as a child.

particularly the beatings i would get with the wooden spoon.

not a light smack but hitting me as hard as she could for as long as she could.

Children do not need to be spanked to be taught to behave, they just don't, it's not even really that effective. I spanked my kids, although not very much, but if I had it to do over again I wouldn't. Hitting, especially in anger, just shows your child that you can't control your temper and that physical violence is the way to solve things, why would you want to teach them that? It is so much better to model good behavior, be consistent, kind but firm. It may take more time and effort, but it's so much better for the child. There are other forms of discipline, time outs, taking away privileges, extra chores, whatever.

My grandson was a strong and determined child a real handful. I was concerned when my daughter said she was never going to use physical punishment, but she was right, he turned out to be a fine young man.

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Please I have a question about GNLD INT'L COMPANY

by COLLINS in

jw
friends

please i want to read about experiences of those in this forum regarding those who have worked with golden neo life international company (gnld).

i was searching for job and a man saw me and asked me whether i can do a job that would take me from two years to five years.

so i said yes to him; and he took me to a company called gnld.

LisaRose

Very few people ever make money in multi level marketing. It's heavily stacked to favor the first people to join. If you are a real top-notch sales person, a real go getter and don't mind hitting up your friends and family for business and leads you might make some money, but the reality is the vast majority of people in MLM make less than $300 a month.

My feeling is why should I buy soap (or vitamins, or whatever) that has been marked up enough to pay for lavish sales commissions, vacations or fancy cars for the people at the top? They may be good products, but they are never special enough to justify the inflated costs no matter how much they have been hyped. And many of them use the same recruiting tactics as a cult. My ex husband used to join every MLM scheme that came down the pike, he had dreams of getting rich with little work, but he never made any money at any of them.

Your friend who is telling you that it's a good deal is making money off your purchase of the sales material, so can you really count on him to tell you the truth? Will he tell you how much the average rep makes (not just the lucky who do extremely well)?

They are very little better than pure pyramid schemes in my book. All pyramid schemes make money for a few peoole who jump in at the beginning, but they are all doomed to fail because there are only so many people dumb enough to invest in pyramid schemes and even if every person invested in them they would still eventually fail because there are a finite number of people in the world.

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Bad things happen in spiritual paradise

by wannaexit in

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friends

i bumped in this story this afternoon.

it's about a family of jw's.

it's an unbelievable story of murder that took place in 2014.. so much for spiritual paradise.. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dateline+tangled.

LisaRose

I think many JWs are convinced that "the truth" has the miraculous ability to change people. The reality is that JWs are no different than people in other religions, or even people in no religion. You can brainwash people into going to all the meetings, doing the study, going out in service, even earnestly praying to God, but it doesn't change what people are, not really.

Most people have a tendency to minimize their bad behavior and justify it in their own mind, but then there are some people who are just evil and it doesn't matter how many hours they spend at the Kingdom Hall, they are going to do what they are going to do. The sad part is they usually get away with it because most JWs live in denial and don't recognize evil when they see it because it wears a suit and says all the right things. That's why child molesters get away with it so often and for so long.

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what era do you feel like your starting out from?

by sowhatnow in

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friends

anyone else feel like they were just woke up from a long coma?

or emerged from a time capsule?.

i mean seriously, its rather creepy and disturbing , some of us are at sea without a compass .. like an orphan, like someone said, , heres a birth certificate go find yourself.

LisaRose

Hi LisaRose
Missed you, good to see you back.

Well, I never really went away, but I've been busy with my business and haven't been commenting very much. I am astounded anyone missed me, so thank you, Mark of Cain, I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy now.

Lisa 🌹

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No historical evidence for bronze age men living to 500yrs old?

by purrpurr in

the bible tells us that noah etc lived to 500yrs old as did many other characters who lived apparently to incredible years.. yet archaeological research tells us from looking at skeletons that have been dug up that the average lifespan was very short.

if a man got to the age of 50 they would have considered that quite an achievement.

when i was in i always wondered about this?

LisaRose

While many people died young due to disease, violence and poor nutrition, it was not impossible for someone to live to age seventy or more, and in a world where many died young the fact that some did live a long time was probably talked about. These stories were probably passed down by word of mouth for hundreds of years before being written down, no doubt they were embellished a bit in each retelling. If there a real Methuselah he probably only lived to be 85.

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what era do you feel like your starting out from?

by sowhatnow in

jw
friends

anyone else feel like they were just woke up from a long coma?

or emerged from a time capsule?.

i mean seriously, its rather creepy and disturbing , some of us are at sea without a compass .. like an orphan, like someone said, , heres a birth certificate go find yourself.

LisaRose

It's a very valid comparison. When every decision is made for you and you are not allowed to develop your own personality, make your own mistakes and pursue your own dreams, it keeps you from growing and developing as a person. When every problem has a simplistic solution (pray, study, meetings, service) you don't learn to develop your own problem solving skills. In a way your life was stolen from you.

You will never get those years back, all you can do is take what lessons you have learned and apply them to the life you have now. As horrible as some of my experiences were, it did ultimately make me a stronger person, and I have used those strengths to build a better life. Just being able to see through the lies get up the courage to leave is an act of remarkable personal growth and a good start on becoming a whole person again.

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A big thanks to all you good good people

by aboveusonlysky in

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friends

"when the truth is found to be lies, and all the joy within you dies" jefferson airplane.

until that is you find websites like this!

i want to say a big thank you to all of you for everything i've learned here, as well as jwfacts, jwsurvey, coc, isocf etc.. i'm a born in and i spent more than two decades of my adult life in full time 'service' for the (b)org.

LisaRose

Welcome!

I am glad you found us and woke up.

Lisa🌹

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Awake no.3 praises Dr. Semmelweiss for discovering disease-causing germs

by Anders Andersen in

in awake!

3 2016, an article on dr. semmelweis states:.

semmelweis was eventually recognized as one of the fathers of the modern antiseptic technique.

LisaRose

Lots of JWs are taken in by medical quackery because it requires the same kind of thinking , so it's not surprising that the Watchtower published nonsense like this, just like they didn't believe in vaccines at one point and still do not accept blood transfusions.

The Watchtower teaches that mainstream religions are corrupt and that religious leaders are lying to you and keeping you from a better religion. They look down on any religious education, don't have trained clergy and believe only they have the answers.

Many who promote fringe alternative medicine believe mainstream medical is corrupt and that doctors and big pharmaceutical are deliberately lying to keep you sick and prevent you from finding better therapies. They look down on medical research, consult untrained or poorly practitioners who say they have all the answers.

In both cases there may be a kernel of truth to some of their thinking (big pharmaceutical does sometimes put profit ahead of patients, some religious leaders are corrupt) but they blow the issues out of proportion and blindly accept the alternative without questioning. In both cases people are fooled because they lack critical thinking skills, they accept these ideas because they intuitively feel right to them and they don't stop to question the faulty logic.

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Waking up - introduction

by Dreamerdude in

i am a male, born into the jw cult(ure), baptized as a teen, now mid fifties.

most of my life i dreamed of hugging pandas and lions, punctuated at times by nightmares of armageddon or jw drama and politics.

still going through the motions for still-in wife.

LisaRose

Welcome dreamer dude.

Good to hear the tight pants Tony rant woke you up, there was a lot of speculation at the time that it would have that effect.

Good luck on waking your wife, it is possible, though no easy thing.

Lisa 🌹

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Would we exist if Adam and Eve didn't sin?

by truth doubter in

my son asked me 40 years ago.

should we be glad adam sinned?

because if he hadn't, we would not be the person we are.. any opinions?

LisaRose

There are a million variables that resulted in each of us becoming who we are, change any of them and you wouldn't be you, you might not exist at all, we are all just accidents really. There is even a term for the idea that minor changes can result in a chain of events that can cause big impacts, the Butterfly Effect.

I don't believe in Adam and Eve, but by mapping the human genome we know that humans carry some Neanderthal DNA. We may all have increased immunity from the Neanderthals, but also may have inherited some genetic defects. So the question could be, what would we be like if we had no Neanderthal DNA? Would we be better off or worse off? Maybe if we didn't have that Neanderthal DNA the Spanish Influenza of 1918 would have wiped out the entire population of the earth, not just a good chunk of it.

Impossible to say, but interesting to think about.