Posts by LisaRose

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Trashed WT's found in Dr.s' waiting room Friday. Do you trash literature you find?

by Wasanelder Once in

took the magazines in the waiting room and dumped them in the trash.

was a great feeling.

to think many witnoids wont dare throw out the surplus magazines they have in stacks around the house is amazing.

rama singh WHAT HE REALLY SAID, so you men can stop lying

by atheist_R_stupid in

"there have been repeated scientific challenges to the.

theory of evolution in the past, and the nonbelievers of evo-.

lution cite them as support for their case.

LisaRose

Thank you LisaRose for such a well thought out post.
You seem to have an intuitive grasp for how to talk to people so that they can "hear" you.
I too, have thought about leaving this forum because of the abrupt,churlish sound of some posts but I am already "leaving" one place (the Org) and dont want to just keep leaving things. I want to start adding things instead. So I stay and just find myself wincing inside at certain posts.
I dont see that atheism and patience need to be opposites of one another and thank you for demonstrating that both sides can be presented.
You have a new fan and I eagerly look forward to reading your future posts now that I have seen that you are a person of insight.
Thank you so much again for the kindness in your words.

Wow, thanks for your kind comments. Don't let the atheists/believer debates keep you away from JWN. As heated as they seem sometimes, it's really mostly good people who just enjoy a good debate, and have little patience for fools. They could be a bit more tactful, but then some of the believers can be obnoxious too. I have learned a lot from those debates, so I do think it serves a purpose. Take it with a grain of salt, or stay away from those threads if it bothers you, but don't leave, I think JWN is stronger if we have a variety of viewpoints. We all have a story to tell.

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Lets pretend jw's disappeared

by atheist_R_stupid in

and joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.

that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.

that would be sex, with condoms.

LisaRose

Yeah we need people like him to shake things up once in a while. How else are we to show how silly the Watchtower arguments are? He is making us look like good, comparatively.

It gets old fast though. It would be fine if he actually discussed something, but he seems to want to just dazzle us with his brilliance then not read or respond to anyone else. I hope he tires of us and moves on quickly.

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

LisaRose

They are just "putting in time" there is no goal other than that, it's purely for show.

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Hi everyone, this is my first post.

by John Aquila in

jw
friends

hey everyone, this is my first post.

i was contacted by the witnesses in1965, baptized in that same year at age 15. i was appointed an elder in 1975 and served as an elder for 20 years..

it hasnt been long since i learn ttatt and when i totally woke up.

LisaRose

Welcome, interesting story. Too bad you didn't have a camera when you ran into the tranny brother, lol. Really though, who cares? He's not hurting anyone but himself, trying to be something he is not. We were all forced to do things we didn't want to do because we thought it was required. Maybe he would be open to your information on 607, and he's hardly going to rat you out to the elders, is he? You would be doing him a favor, then he could be free to wear fishnets every day, lol. I live in the San Francisco bay area, that wouldn't raise an eyebrow here.

I divorced my disfellowshipped husband because he was irresponsible with money, I was getting older and realised we would die broke because he made poor decisions. The straw that broke the camels back was that he borrowed 8k on a credit card to get out of a lease on a one year old car to lease the exact same car only one year newer. And he didn't even tell me about it, I found out by accident. I sold some stock I owned to pay off bills due to him being on disability, so it was galling that being debt free meant nothing to him. It was the best thing I have ever done for myself. I had to give him half my 4OIK, but it was worth it.

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Informative and interesting website recommendations please.

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

i've got into a bit of a rut visiting the same half dozen or so sites most of the time.

i'd love to hear your suggestions for good sites featuring popular science (esp' astronomy and evolutionary biology), natural history, poetry and english literature.

and anything fun and surprising you might like to spring on me would be welcome too!

LisaRose

I have a kindle and get The Washington Post, their articles seem very well researched and much more informative that the usual internet news sources.

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Dear typer-ers, you're doing it wrong!

by Simon in

there are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.

what if we could stop one of them?

wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?

LisaRose

I knew only one space after a sentence was standard now, but I thought two spaces were still acceptable. It's really hard to change at my age, but I will try.

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rama singh WHAT HE REALLY SAID, so you men can stop lying

by atheist_R_stupid in

"there have been repeated scientific challenges to the.

theory of evolution in the past, and the nonbelievers of evo-.

lution cite them as support for their case.

LisaRose

My point is I am leaving a place of extreme bias. Trying to function in a world without a God seems (at this point) easier than what I am truly dealing with:

I totally understand that, I agree that it is a very good place for you to be at right now. It is quite similar to what I felt after leaving the religion. I only knew that the JWs were not right, to think about what religion may be right or if God existed seemed too much to think of at the time. I just put one foot in front of the other and hoped that with time things would become more clear with time, and that is what happened.

It was seven years after leaving that I found this board, I was afraid before then, the brainwashing had not quite worn off. I stopped coming here at one point because I found the atheist believer debates depressed me. But still, I thought about things, after several years I came back and finally I realized I did not believe in God. I can read the debates now without getting wound up in them, but I don't often contribute to them myself, I am uncomfortable with some of the condesending attitude with some here and feel it's counter productive.

My spiritual journey has been a long one, with may turns, but I am very happy where I am right now. It may be sacrilege to other atheists (if that is possible,) but I haven't written off religion entirely, I occasion attend my husband's church, it's a liberal religion, they don't have any doctrine and are OK with atheism. I still feel that I am spiritual, which many atheists would think is ridiculous, but that's their problem, not mine.

The reality is what difference does it make if you believe in God or not, as long as you treat others with respect and are a good and moral person? If religion gets you there, fine. If atheism gets you there, that's fine to, at least in my book.

the loss of friends, the anger and "guilting" of genuinely hurt family members that think my everlasting life is now in "danger and the sheer lonliness that I internally feel.

If you are still struggling with this, I highly recommend meditation and journaling. It has been a big help to me. Meditation is easy, free and very effective as helping you deal with emotions. It only takes time and practice. There are lots of ways to mediate, they all work, just do an internet search. Journaling is even easier, just sit down every day and write down a page or two. It doesn't have to be anything specific, just whatever pops into your head. You would be surprised how much this helps, you will eventually see a pattern and it helps you deal with all of it. A legacy of my years in dubdom is some long-standing stress related health issues and meditation has helped me with these, I recently have started getting more serious about it, with good results.

To be able to say to myself, I will be what I decide is right in the world period, is not a place I am at but it sounds good given where I am really at presently.

I agree, I wish you well on your spiritual journey.

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rama singh WHAT HE REALLY SAID, so you men can stop lying

by atheist_R_stupid in

"there have been repeated scientific challenges to the.

theory of evolution in the past, and the nonbelievers of evo-.

lution cite them as support for their case.

LisaRose

I am actually still a believer who would like not to believe. I want to be convinced there is no God

And I am an atheist that wants to believe in God, but can't. It would be nice to have the comfort that I could see the people I loved who have died, but something is not true because we would like it to be, need it to be or want it to be.

Unfortunately, there are very few atheists that are willing to "talk" rather than "preach"

I stopped preaching when I left the JWs. I believe religion can be a positive thing in a person's life. Of course it can also be a negative thing, so I don't respect religious intolerance and hate, or refusing to accept established scientific facts because it interferes with one's religious beliefs.

I am actually still a believer who would like not to believe. I want to be convinced there is no God.

It seems to me you have it backwards. Why do you believe in God to start with, as if it's the logical starting point? I believe we need to start in neutral, neither belief nor non belief, and then be convinced, by the facts to believe. I just haven't seen compelling evidence of God's existence, therefore I don't believe. I haven't seen evidence that he doesn't exist, nor could I prove he doesn't exist, as you cannot disprove a negative, so I stay in neutral, which is to me is what Atheism is.

For example I cannot prove the Easter bunny doesn't exist, so should I believe in him until I see such evidence? It would be nice if he existed, as I like chocolate, and who wouldn't want chocolate bunnies every Easter? Many people believe he exists, granted they are all under five. But he doesn't exist just because I might want him to. How is belief in God any different?

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Lets pretend jw's disappeared

by atheist_R_stupid in

and joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.

that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.

that would be sex, with condoms.

LisaRose

Well, aren't you just a ray of sunshine. We're you trying to make a pointing your rant? I couldn't tell.