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  What bad habits have you picked up since leaving the Borg.

  by James Mixon in

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  i went back to smoking and gambling but the good habits out weigh.

  the bad ones, like lying to people.

  is't fraud against the law, the practice.

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  LisaRose

  Nothing that any normal person would consider bad. Holidays, voting, volunteering, sleeping in on Sunday.

  Most people would think I was pretty boring, but to the Witnesses I am a total degenerate.
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  Having my stitches out....

  by Louise in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and i'm a little scared.. yes they are ready to come out.

  my thumb pad is tingly and burning.

  the skin around the stitches is numb.. with the injury being so bad, it is going to take at least a year for my thumb to be 90% recovered.

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  LisaRose

  Ouch, that had to have hurt. When I was a baby I got three fingers caught on the inside of the door, it almost cut off the end of one of my fingers.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .

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  LisaRose

  
  

  From Jwfacts, some of the dates that were erroneously predicted

  ....we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915.
  

  1918 ed. We anticipate that the "earthquake" will occur early in 1918, and that the "fire" will come in the fall of 1920.

  The Seventh-days before the Deluge may represent seven years, from 1914 to 1921, in the midst of which "week of years' the last members of the Messiah pass beyond the veil.

  most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon."Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288

  1980 ....if the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century, which is highly improbable

  "Some of that "generation" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that!" Watchtower1984 Mar 1 pp.18-19Shortly, within our twentieth century
  

  "He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century". Watchtower1989 Jan 1 p.12.
  

  this very time

  2003 We are certainly in "the time of the end."
  
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  Question for atheists and nonbelievers

  by pressman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i profess to teach the truth to you all and get you to all to think and believe.

  believing in christ through his words and not through evil religious cults, like hoj and jw, can and will save you.

  do you all realize that every time you are victorious and receive something of value through your hard work and sweat, it was our holy god who blessed you.

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  LisaRose

  I profess to teach the truth to you all and get you to to think and believe.

  How condescending of you to presume to decide what truth is. You have a faith, good for you, but it is simply your belief, your truth, not mine. I wanted to believe in God, but I have looked at the evidence and find it wanting.

  All you have for evidence is a feeling and your proof is a two thousand year old book that describes a jealous, angry God who approved of slavery, rape and stoning people. So, no thank you.
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  Setback

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i saw this coming since my mother-in-law's funeral .... the congregation's "love-bombing" over my wife had its impact.

  i watched her drawing closer and closer to her friends in the congregation.

  then she decided she would attend the memorial.

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  LisaRose

  This is very sad. Try not to take it personally, it's just shows the power of cult mind control. She obviously knows on some level you are right, but that is being overridden by fear: Fear of dying at Armageddon, fear of the elders, fear of loss of relationships. If I were you I would back away from trying to convince her of anything, it obviously will just makes her more determined.

  Try just letting her be for now, but be very loving. She had her own issues with the religion before, perhaps if you back off her more natural personality will come back.
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  How do stop myself getting too Bitter?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you know, i always maintained that during this fading process, and while learning ttatt, i would not let myself get "bitter twisted and angry".... but, in all honesty, if i examine myself, i have become quite bitter toward the org, toward the false friends and the gb.. i have become angry as i see the extent of damage i feel being raised in "the truth" has done.... i feel hurt towards the lost opportunities in life etc.... how do i not allow myself to get too swallowed up by such bitterness?.

  i have always been a very happy, positive, selfless person.

  i can put people at ease, i am someone people feel comfortable chatting to.

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  LisaRose

  It's natural to feel bitter under the circumstances, but your goal should be to work through that and eventually put it behind you. It takes as long as it takes. If you are naturally a happy person you will probably be fine, but If you find it is preventing you from enjoying your life then it's time to get professional help.

  I also highly recommend meditation, It has, been life changing for me.
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  Struggling

  by Alive! in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i read here regularly and although i haven't joined in, i really appreciate all the wonderful contributions from those who are willing to share their experiences.... .

  i was a convert.

  i won't go into the whole history ( perhaps another day) - my story could easily be recognised in the small town where i live, with my husband.. so, we stopped going to the meetings around a period of time when we were going through severe emotional difficulties - at that point, we needed unconditional family love - the hectic, forced jw dinner parties and social occasions gave no real comfort.

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  LisaRose

  ((((Hugs))))) back to you Alive. It shouldn't surprise me that you would be treated so poorly, but it does. It makes be both mad and sad. I think the JW mindset is a sort of "survival of the fittest". People have been made to feel their salvation depends on doing everything perfectly, so they don't have time or energy to spare for helping others. Once you falter they will step over on the way to their own salvation.

  It's so wrong and counter to what a they claim to be. According to the bible, the mark of true Christians is love. Not door to door preaching, not magazine publishing, but love. You are not the first to suffer from this, in my case I thought i was because my husband was disfellowshipped, but the many experiences I have read tell me that it makes no difference what your situation is, any little deviation from total adherence to Watchtower rules and you are written off, damaged goods, not good enough.

  But never mind, however painful that must have been it did lead you here, to the real truth, and now you are free. You should be glad your husband left with you, at least you have that. I am sixty also and I have never been happier. I have been married for fifteen years to the guy I wouldn't date in High School because he wasn't a JW, he is the love of my life and my soul mate. So Iwasted thirty years in this religion, but I got a second chance and I made the most of it.

  You have gotten a second chance also, so make it count.
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  LATEST NEWS: CANDANCE CONTI VERIDICT READY - WT LOST!!!!!!!

  by Viva la Vida in

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  i'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .

  opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.

  the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.

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  LisaRose

  I see this as an overall win. The Watchtower doesn't care about a few million, they have been happy to pay off victims to hide the fact they do not care about protecting children. The publicity is a problem, they last thing they want is for rank and file to become aware of this.

  They can spin this what ever way they want, but the more this is in the news the worse it is for them. Individual JWs are now going to realize they are not contributing to the worldwide work but to the worldwide pedophile defense fund
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  can an unhappy married woman vent?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i continue to be saddened by the fact that i am married to such a selfish man.. i want to know if i am the only wife who has no say when it comes to using the house she lives in for activities including other people.. .

  let me explain.. yesterday my daugher who is 35 got a new puppy for my grandaughter who is 13. today my daughter and son in law are going to help my uncle at a job, and my granddaughter wanted to spend the day here, my daugher said shed bring her and the puppy over, i laughed and said 'your dad wont have that, ill have to go to your house'.. after all it will 'upset' the 2 cats they will hide all day [like they do anytime someone including my grandchild is in my home] .. i already knew that he would not like it if she brought the puppy over, [weve had dogs so its not like he hates them].

  he doesnt care if his grandaughter would have enjoyed playing with the puppy over grandmas house, where she likes to be for a change, and that fact that id like to see what my cats would do when they saw a dog for the first time in thier lives.. maybe id have liked to play with the puppy .. when i said to my husband that my daughter said she wanted tp bring them over he said.

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  LisaRose

  I am glad you are doing OK and moving on with your life. I personally think it would be better to put off dating for now. You need to work on you first and you don't want to marry somebody just for financial security, otherwise you may find yourself in the samesituation five years down the road.

  I know it seems difficult, but there are jobs out there, even if you are older, have health issues and don't have an education. If you check around there may be programs out there to help women in your situation, check with the unemployment office or women's shelters. Maybe you can't do full time, but even part-time work could help. Having a job will make you feel more confident and better about yourself and that will make it easier to find the right kind of guy when you are ready.
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  Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

  by Stumpy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

  you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

  what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

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  LisaRose

  As a group JWs ARE the only ones trying to do what God requires despite all their faults and misunderstand of many many texts.

  Do you honestly believe there are no people in other religions that are not trying to do what God requires? That is absurd and patently untrue. It comes down to that in your opinion the Watchtower is right about the bible, and other feel the same about theirs. The Truth is:

  A) The Watchtower uses deception, half truths, misquotes and outright lies to convince people they are right, so all those sincere Jws are simply wrong about much of what they teach.

  B) The bible says the mark of those who are true Christians is that they have love for one another. Not the preaching work, not the trinity doctrine, not using a fake name for God, It's LOVE. Is it love to condemn fellow believers in Christ because they interpret the bible differently than you? Is it love to shun your mother because she chooses to attend a different Christian Church?

  People here should grow up and stop being so self centered

  I have grown up, I grew up the day I realized the Watchtower couldn't possibly be what they claimed, that they lied about their history, that they had no special knowledge about God, the bible or anything else. As far as being self centered, what is self centered about choosing to leave a religion when you realize it doesn't represent God? Don't JWs urge people to do that every day in their preaching work? It's not like we go knocking on your door.

  ...and stop looking for the bad in everything.

  The point of this board is to educate people about the true nature of this religion so yes, that is going to involve some negativity, but it's also to help those struggling and being hurt by the religion, and that is a positive thing. We also share that it is possible to move on and have a great life, a very positive thing.

  I have to wonder why you are so negative yourself about this forum. Could it be that you suspect what we are saying is true? Could it be that you are afraid to consider that we are right? If you feel this is such a negative place, then why come here at all? Why aren't you engaging in the Watchtower preaching work, since you feel they are so right? Just sayin'