Posts by LisaRose

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Getting married when you are spiritually out

by 1tMakesNoSence in

i met this amazing girl about 6years ago at my local congregation.

i was 100% in back then.

about 3years ago i woke up spiritually and kept it undercover till a few months ago.. this girl is still very in (but she doesnt really do the things a reaaal jw should do.

LisaRose

Are you prepared for the possibility that your wife will want to raise your children in the religion? People often rebel as young adults but once they become parents they feel they must go back so their children won't die at Armageddon. Would you be OK with exposing your children to cult mind control and the resulting guilt and fear?

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The visit with elder and wife outcome

by umbertoecho in

where to start in regard to my visit with the elder and his wife; a wife who sat mute throughout the discussion.

they arrived on the dot and we engaged in talk about the weather.

this could have gone on for some time but i brought it around to the reason for this particular visit.

LisaRose

I think you are wise to continue on your own. Jehovah's Witnesses only accept what the governing body tells them. They don't really have any understanding of the bible per se, they only know what the GB says is in the bible. That is why they flounder when you point out what the bible actually says, because it conflicts with what they have ever been told. The cannot resolve the discrepancy so they tend to shut down or change the subject.

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help catagorize my wife: I truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.

by goingthruthemotions in

i find it hard sometimes to get a good idea has to how to communicate with my wife when it come to this stupid cult.. she is born in and stopped attending for many years and got baptized later in life.

i truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.. here is a breakdown of what i gather to be where she is mentally.. * she calls the borg her faith.

here are actions that she does that go against her thoughts:.

LisaRose

If you're going to create a vacuum, that vacuum has to be replaced with something.

Spoken like the Mormon you are. Why does anyone have to replace one cult with another? How about reason, logic and facts ? That would be a good start.

If you ruin their faith entirely and don't replace it with something better, you can really screw them up emotionally.

Well, that is setting a low bar. You don't need to replace one religion with another. How about just seeing how it feels not to have someone telling you what to think, do and say? Why would it "screw someone up emotionally" to stop believing in ancient fables?

You can have that BORG mentality replaced by depression, plus you might lose any influence or relationship with her that you've established.

Assuming that leaving the Borg will make you depressed. It was an adjustment for me, but I was never depressed, I enjoyed the newfound freedom. Fifteen years out, I've never been happier.

Really Cold Steel, stop trolling for new recruits for your cult.

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So I decided to do it.

by WasOnceBlind in

ok, so i went ahead and got a tattoo.

well more than a tattoo, it is a half sleeve.

my parents haven't seen it, thanks to the chilly weather i've been wearing a sweater around them.

LisaRose

I'm not into tattoos personally, but I don't have a problem with other people getting them, why not, it's your body after all. Just make sure that you get them done by a professional (which you obviously would if you are getting a sleeve) and that any words used are spelled right. If anyone thinks that is obvious you haven't seen http://wtftattoos.com/

My husband wants to get one on his chest that says DNR, lol

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The Duggar family hypocrisy

by Simon in

another christian child-abuse scandal in the news is the duggar family of "19 kids and counting" fame.. their show has been pulled after it emerged that the uber-christian family who are seen to promote right-wing christian values covered up abuse within their family and that of other victims by one of their family.

some values.

once again the only value that seems to really matter to the religious is appearance... good riddance to hypocritical zealots.. they have campaigned against lgbt as being threats to children and describing them as sexual predators all the while knowing that they have their own dirty secret.

LisaRose

I have mixed feelings. I could never stand to watch the show, it was hard to watch people who you know couldn't possibly be what they pretended to be, everything was so.....sickening sweet. That being said, was what they did for their son all that bad? Their teen aged son engaged in horrible behavior, he got found out, he got counseling. He seemed repentant and (supposedly) did not repeat the behavior. Should they have called the police? Were they supposed to announce their minor son's misdeeds to the world?

I think the show erred in presenting such a fake, plastic version of the family in the first place, which is why they are getting such fall out now. But I wish they would continue the show to illustrate how a family like that deals with a crisis, it might be the first time the series was actually a reality show.

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Can This Be True?

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

i was very tired today, still am.

age is getting to me.

that video will be shown to millions of parents around the world.

LisaRose

I have enjoyed your posts and I wish you well no matter what direction your life takes. You have a good heart and mind and I am sure you will find the right path for you and your family.

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Spirituality

by Jonathan Drake in

if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

LisaRose

I haven't had such a thing happen, but I believe in the possibility as it explains what people of faith experience, speaking in tongues, or why some JWs feel they are of the anointed. Since I don't believe God is talking to them I felt there must something that happens to a person that puts them in an altered state of consciousness.

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help catagorize my wife: I truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.

by goingthruthemotions in

i find it hard sometimes to get a good idea has to how to communicate with my wife when it come to this stupid cult.. she is born in and stopped attending for many years and got baptized later in life.

i truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.. here is a breakdown of what i gather to be where she is mentally.. * she calls the borg her faith.

here are actions that she does that go against her thoughts:.

LisaRose

When people are able to do something rewarding and express themselves and see it turn out well, they naturally gain confidence that will spill over into other areas of life. There's also the side-benefit of having interests outside the cult that can replace cult activities.

Bingo. I think you are right, one eyed Joe. The Watchtower is constantly harping on the fact that mankind is basically sinful and stupid and needs God to tell them what to do, and by God they actually mean themselves.

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help catagorize my wife: I truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.

by goingthruthemotions in

i find it hard sometimes to get a good idea has to how to communicate with my wife when it come to this stupid cult.. she is born in and stopped attending for many years and got baptized later in life.

i truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.. here is a breakdown of what i gather to be where she is mentally.. * she calls the borg her faith.

here are actions that she does that go against her thoughts:.

LisaRose

You might want to start by not thinking of it in terms of her "lacking mental capacity" and having a "lack of mental intellect" when it comes to the Borg, those are insulting and demeaning terms. A lot of very intelligent people were taken in by the Watchtower, what made them stay was the mind control used, not their lack of intelligence.

It's pretty common for people to say they believe things but then act in ways that are contrary to that belief. It's easy to skip meetings and do token field service, it's harder to actually admit you made a mistake and joined the wrong religion, that takes effort and a willingness to confront difficult issues and deal with emotional fallout from that. You will not get your wife to leave until she is mentally ready to do so.

If you want to help your wife, do not tell her anything, people do not like being told what to do. Instead try to draw her out and figure out what it is that keeps her clinging to a religion that she doesn't enjoy. Does she fear Armageddon? Does she enjoy the social aspects of the religion? Does she think other religions are corrupt? Once you figure out what she gets out of being a JW, then slowly start asking leading questions to get her to think.

Be patient, she made get there in time on her own, or you may help her out, but it may take some time.

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I asked where is the proof?

by disillusioned 2 in

arguing with my husband again, i asked where is the proof that jesus looked down on earth in 1919 and chose a small group of bible students in america apart from them saying it in their magazines.

also where is the proof that satan and his demons were cast down in 1914 just because first world war started.

neither of these things are in the bible only in their magazines.

LisaRose

“Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that no reason to increase our activity?… Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.”—Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3