JWs are already lame predatory animals.
But (in their minds) as long as they don't do the "nasty," they are not committing bestiality.
Or so they think!
Dogpatch
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LGBT community rallies for Jehovahs Witnesses
by brizzzy inhow much do you wanna bet the irony flies right over their heads with a *whoosh*?.
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http://lgbtweekly.com/2012/01/05/lgbt-community-rallies-for-jehovahs-witnesses/ .
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WT Mar 15th 2012 - 144,000 no longer a literal number?
by dozy inreading idly through this magazine , i read the study article "rejoicing in our hope" which discusses the two "hopes" according to the wtbts ie heaven & earth.. a couple of points were of interest:.
(1) absolutely no mention at all of the 144,000 or rev 14. usually an article like this would be filled with references , but it isn't even mentioned.
it does discuss the "limited number" , but only in contrast with the "no man can number" great crowd.. (2) a much more laid back attitude towards the two hopes.
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Dogpatch
Mary is spot on on this one:
I think they've been slowly laying the groundwork for changing this doctrine for the past few years. They've made it quite clear in the WT study articles over the last couple of years that none of the 'annointed', outside of the Slobbering Body members, have any special "insight" into anything, and even made the comment a few years ago that they have no more 'Holy Spirit' than the R&F. This is obviously being done for two reasons: 1) So no 'annointed' person can ask any uncomfortable doctrinal questions and 2)To elevate the goons at the top even further.
I'm guessing that the next step will be to announce that only the Governing Body members themselves comprise the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" and that it does not apply to any others professing to have the 'heavenly hope' (if they haven't done this already). This will probably be somewhat shocking to alot of JWs, but they'll just carry on business as per usual. Once this has been accepted, it won't matter one bit to the GB if they make the '144,000' a "symbolic number" since they will effectively have reduced any sort of power or 'special insight', to that of the R&F with the 'earthy hope'. After that, you'll probably see the number of partakers skyrocket.
Anyone who understands the powers that be in Brooklyn/Patterson knows they are waging an all -out campaign to discredit the "specialness" of being "anointed." as this is the most likely frontal challenge to their authority next up. It's all politics folks, why even listen to their doctrinal crap? It's only a diversion for the stupid ones.
Randy
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Zen's Rant on Ayn Rand - intelligent responses appreciated
by Dogpatch incheck out http://youtu.be/_rtl0g851ic.
this is also at the freeminds channel at:.
http://www.youtube.com/user/freeminds?feature=guide.
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Dogpatch
Being ornery on Christmas is fun!
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Zen's Rant on Ayn Rand - intelligent responses appreciated
by Dogpatch incheck out http://youtu.be/_rtl0g851ic.
this is also at the freeminds channel at:.
http://www.youtube.com/user/freeminds?feature=guide.
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Dogpatch
Check out http://youtu.be/_RTL0g851ic
This is also at the Freeminds channel at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/freeminds?feature=guide
and so feel free to comment and express your views of Ayn Rand!
Tell Zen he's a fuddy-duddy.
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Blood Watchtower's Misrepresentative
by Marvin Shilmer inblood watchtower's misrepresentative .
today i added a new article to my blog addressing remarks made by one of watchtowers misrepresentatives.
like so many others, he presents information that is at odds with verifiable data.
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Dogpatch
ridiculous! Thanks Marvin for the brief glimpse into wunderland. Or is it Underland?
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Steal this response if you need one for the Witnesses
by Dogpatch ini can't type worth a damn and have had operations on my main (left) hand, so i sometimes send a pre-recorded response to emails and messages from people who are down and out about getting out of the witnesses, and some are near suicidal.
it is what i would type anyway.
then i add a few lines.
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Dogpatch
I can't type worth a damn and have had operations on my main (left) hand, so I sometimes send a pre-recorded response to emails and messages from people who are down and out about getting out of the Witnesses, and some are near suicidal. It is what I would type anyway. Then I add a few lines. But I thought it may help some of you have a good response as well, so feel free to use it.
hugs to all,
RESPONSE TO PERSON IN PAIN:
Hi _____,
Go on over to www.watchtowerworld.org and make friends with retired pioneers from the early years of the organization, and they are all Christians and personal friends of mine. Click on GALLERY and find someone that most matches how you feel.
Keep your head up, we all go through similar things getting out. Soon life will be much better, and the Witnesses will not be able to control you anymore.
If you want professional secular help, I recommend www.ICSAhome.org. I also recommend a good friend and counselor Steven Hassan, whose website is at:
http://www.freedomofmind.com. Compare your situation with the stories of people from other cults and you will see that in spite of radically different teachings, all high-control groups work the same, because they are ORGANIZATIONS. Study this right and your guilt and fear can be gone in one day!If you still have to live with Witnesses, it is a little tougher, but there are ways to keep peace.
Think
An organization has no feelings for its workers.
It is an entity of itself whose only goal is to preserve itself at all costs, and make money, and grow. Anyone who counters them or gets in their way is disposable. Indeed, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (yes, they ARE a business) finds it much easier to create a easily implemented shunning atmosphere, where Witnesses are always kept suspicious of one another, like in matters of "apostasy" from whatever the current leaders teach (which will change weekly).
They don't care if they lose members, especially old-timers. In fact, they habitually put old timers out to pasture. Besides, they know too much. People in the know cause too much trouble and ask too many questions about the organization, its teachings and policies. They are the ones most likely to cause a rift in the organization right now as it begins to recede, and they know that! They are expecting it, if you read between the lines of the latest "in house" Watchtowers. The Watch Tower is currently printing a rash of articles revealing their fear of a sect developing - saying over and over that the "other" or "new" anointed don't really know anything, and don't follow them - just follow the Governing Body.
They know the writing is on the wall. They are holing themselves up in upstate New York with all the $billions they have made selling books and magazines in the past (and which was invested in property that is now worth billions) and isolating themselves from the rest of the world. Their coffers are drying up, and to protect itself, the organization is currently shedding expenses at a breathtaking rate. And they are asking for money like never before.
Interestingly, this seems to be the typical dying stage of cults. Paranoia sets in after years of decay, and people begin to talk, both inside and outside the group. None of the expectations or prophecies have come true. They are accused of being FALSE PROPHETS by outsiders. The leader/pastor responds by a fearful response/attack regularly, and little demands of displays of loyalty to the organization. Families are separated by force to avoid any collusion.. They thus shrink in size by weeding out the unsure, they isolate themselves physically and socially, and do not follow world events. THEY are alone as being the ONLY TRUE CHRISTIANS. Numbers don't really matter in the end, it was just a way of bolstering their own beliefs. Screw the disloyal!
Look at what happened to Elizabeth Clair Prophet, Rajneesh, Jim Jones and with David Koresh at Waco, Texas. Even Tony Alamo and the prophet of the Children of God. I briefly covered the story of the San Diego mass suicide of Heaven's Gate by Fox news as it happened.
True Christians don't retreat
Witness leaders have changed from their Bible-arguing days. They feel it is better to concentrate on fooling new people into doing their bidding, and encourage them not to think and to avoid college and the internet, as well as social circles of non-Witnesses AND other Witnesses. Go figure. Power is the prize. Power like a dictator.
They treat the rank-and-file like mushrooms: keep them in the dark and feed them bulls$%^ and none are the wiser. Once a person goes to college and gets an education, the 19th century carnival tactics used by the Watchtower to control people vanish like a bad dream in most cases. For others, they definitely need exit-counseling and professional recovery, just like you were addicted to a drug. Otherwise the time bombs the WT planted in your head will stay there for years to come. Blast the guilt and fear with wisdom, knowledge and spiritual help.
Extracting yourself from the organization is a process. It is often messy because of family and friends who remain loyal Witnesses. It may result in divorce and child custody. It may mean a loss of income. But nothing is so valuable as freedom to make your own life, and do it right this time.
Don't be afraid to start a new life. Freedom is precious. If others' love is conditional upon your pronouncing loyalty to the organization or else, they ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS. They will turn on you on a dime. You deserve better my friend!
yours,
Randall WattersHappy 2012!
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Two Elders just left.
by mouthy inhow wonderful it was... i saw two women over the road knocking on doors .
i could see they were jws...i prayed & asked they would call here... but no!!!!
the lord sent two men!!!!elders!!!!
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Dogpatch
killer job, mums!
Randy
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Latest WT video on Blood!
by Atlantis inif you should have the latest video on "blood" by the watchtower, please get in contact with randy because he needs a copy.. thanks!.
atlantis.
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LAWSUIT: The Strange Saga of Lorterdan Properties at Ramapo v. Watchtower of NY
by AndersonsInfo inthe strange saga of lorterdan properties at ramapo v. watchtower of new york.
information compiled by barbara anderson.
on february 27, 2009, the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. (watchtower) purchased 248 acres of land located in ramapo, new york, from a company named lorterdan properties at ramapo i, llc (lorterdan).
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Dogpatch
Sorry, this is the correct link to the PDF documents mentioned above, revised:
A Legal document in pdf form can be downloaded
YOU CAN ACCESS THE DOWNLOAD pdf FROM THE FRONT PAGE OF FREEMINDS.ORG BY CLICKING ARTICLES>DOWNLOADS>LEGAL DOCUMENTS AND FIND IT THERE. iT IS ENTITLED:
Ramapo-Lorterdan_v_WT_5-31-11_thru_8-23-11_Five_Letters_Case_7_11-cv-03656-CS.pdf
and just save it!
Randy
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ALANF, JANH, KENT, NORM et.al.--WHERE HAVE THEY ALL GONE?
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Dogpatch
That's why I put together a HELP site and memorial at www.watchtowerworld.org so many of these "pioneers" would not be forgotten.
Randy