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He won't even talk to me, don't feel bad. :-)) I have no clue as to why.
Randy
Dogpatch
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I miss Watchtower Comments....
by Momma-Tossed-Me inperhaps he will resurface someday, his videos were the best quality..
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IS THIS For REAL? Need someone with French watchtower to verify!
by Dogpatch ini just received an email from france that, i quote:.
"new subliminal picture in a french jehovah's witnesses magazine (a very scandal)".
"reveillez vous" of 2011 april page 32. http://upload.is.free.fr/upload/mgf41rec.gif.
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Dogpatch
Besides, it's not very subliminal. A respected "worldy" corporation would screen that out from being used in advertising in a split-second.
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IS THIS For REAL? Need someone with French watchtower to verify!
by Dogpatch ini just received an email from france that, i quote:.
"new subliminal picture in a french jehovah's witnesses magazine (a very scandal)".
"reveillez vous" of 2011 april page 32. http://upload.is.free.fr/upload/mgf41rec.gif.
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Dogpatch
BTW I'm not a believer in subliminal images. :-))
Must be dirty minds or horny sisters at Bethel. :-))
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IS THIS For REAL? Need someone with French watchtower to verify!
by Dogpatch ini just received an email from france that, i quote:.
"new subliminal picture in a french jehovah's witnesses magazine (a very scandal)".
"reveillez vous" of 2011 april page 32. http://upload.is.free.fr/upload/mgf41rec.gif.
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Dogpatch
I just received an email from France that, I quote:
"new subliminal picture in a french jehovah's witnesses magazine (a very scandal)"
"Réveillez vous" of 2011 april page 32
http://upload.is.free.fr/upload/mgf41rec.gifI don't have access to French magazines, so please if you can verify that it is real and the picture has not been doctored, let us know. The public would LOVE this!
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Our annual BRCI Conference will be Saturday, Sept. 22 from 9:30 to 5:30 in Chicago!
by Dogpatch inannouncement from bob witty of brci:.
our annual brci conference will be saturday, sept. 22 from 9:30 to 5:30 in chicago.
we will be meeting at the doubletree hotel.
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Dogpatch
Announcement from Bob Witty of BRCI:
Our annual BRCI Conference will be Saturday, Sept. 22 from 9:30 to 5:30 in Chicago. We will be meeting at the Doubletree Hotel. Address is 800 National Parkway, Schaumburg, IL 60173. There is a special BRCI $69 rate for those that want lodging. The reservation number is 1-847-605-9222 .
A personal plug for BRCI:
BRCI is a not-for-profit association formed in 1983 by individuals who questioned the doctrines and authoritarian methods of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (i.e., Jehovah's Witnesses). To provide support for active, inactive, and former Jehovah’s Witnesses who wish to separate from the Watchtower, but who have been indoctrinated to fear that doing so would lead to separation from God and Christ, BRCI provides a "help-line" (1-800-WHY-1914), this website (www.brci.org), periodic newsletters, and annual conferences. Our focus is offering emotional and spiritual help to those confronting the challenge of exiting a high mental control organization.
Randy Watters
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Bioethics of the refusal of blood by Jehovah's Witnesses: Should bioethical deliberation consider dissidents' views?
by Celestial inkeep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood and what is strangled and from fornication.
acts 21:25. .
keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication.
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Dogpatch
The scientific community would perceive this as a warped philosophy for three reasons:
That was what Charles T. Russell said, too, about the NT "ban" on blood in a 1910 Watchtower, April 15, 1909, p. 116, 117.
Rutherford and Knorr and Franz just wanted another totally non-biblical reason to STAND OUT AND ATTRACT OTHERS LIKE THEMSELVES.
So what if thousands are sacrificed?
Randy
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british press have knifes out for Richard Dawkins
by highdose insince that great atheist heavy weight christopher hitchens left us.
it seems the british press have had their knifes out for richard dawkins.
mostly trying to discredit him and smear his name.. his exasperated "oh god!
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Dogpatch
Putting aside whether Dawkins is right or not, perhaps it's the fact that he comes across as an smug, arrogant, pompous, condescending little asshole and is obviously very proud of it that offends many people.
In other words, people just don't like him!
Well good for him. I have great respect for all his work. He deserves an attitude, and some of you could enjoy that, too!
Randy
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"Ooooohhhh I just CANT WAIT for Armageddon!"
by TimothyT inin my congregation i could name at least 10 brothers, and likely more, who just couldnt wait for armageddon to come.
the way they spoke about it clearly showed that they were just so excited.
you could just see their eyes light up at the prospect of the wicked being destroyed and removed from this earth.
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Dogpatch
Armageddon is a perfect drug, as long as you are a TRUE BELIEVER. Once that ends, it's efficacy ends. Gotta look for a better drug.
Randy
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What Scriptural Support Is There For Believing in Second/Greater Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy?
by JWB inwhat scriptural support is there for believing in second/greater fulfillments of bible prophecy?.
this is a genuine equiry into where the idea of second/greater fulfillments of bible prophecy originated.
does it have definite scriptural support or is it simply an extra-biblical religious device thought up to try to make prophecies appear relevant to the modern age?
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Dogpatch
Good thread.
Phizzy said,
The "by extension" method of exegesis is one that really means "this scripture says what I say it says", which just sums up the WT method.
I do not think there is anything in the Bible that gives justification for a 2nd fulfillment.
This is especially an American phenomena, because kooky bookwriters like Hal Lindsey ("The Late Great Planet Earth") have a great deal of influence on churchgoers - the more uneducated they are in the roots of the Bible, the more powerful the preachers can be. Then they write their corny books and get their own TV stations, giving the impression that THEY are the real spokesmen of God. Then branches (sects) of churches appear, some leading to denominations and new movements. Some are bowel movements, others can be quite positive.
A church is simply an extended family. We all need families. A CULT is an extended family GONE BAD. That's all you need to define this whole charade. Everyone seems to think of defining cults as dependent on their doctrines. No, it is their behavior or misbehavior in modern parlance. We are still primally-driven creatures, no matter how hard we try to escape. Most of the world's religions are simply people trying to apologize to their god for their randy primal side. (Yet the god usually has a greater record of slaughter and injustice by common sense!)
Orange County, Calif. and most of Texas are the seedbed of this nonsense. "Name-it-Claim-it" was their last big joke. Now it seems all politics.
Not long before I became a JW, I lived in Orange County which is the capital of evangelical stupidity in a historical, interpretive context. Lindsey's book and reading ALL of Ellen G. White's tomes led my way to becoming a JW. I had been raised a Baptist, but was more of a naturalist. I always believed in evolution. Animals were my equal and to be respected.
People listen to these leaders/pastors and believe in them because they are believed in by millions. What could be a safer bet? Buying the Brooklyn Bridge?
Hey, I used to do programs for months for Trinity Broadcasting Network in Irvine, Calif. Jan Crouch even read my two theological tomes and let me in on Saturday nights instead of Walter Martin.
I KNOW Orange County, the Orange Curtain as they call it. No sin gets in or out. God is the mayor.
My mother was one of Robert Schuller's secretaries and editors when he was getting ready to publish his first book. He later built the Crystal Cathedral on the same property. It was the first drive-in church in the world. Speakers in your car window and all. :-))
One day I took in the visual absurdity of all this, and seeing a guy in the car in front of me picking his nose boogers was the last straw. No more church for me. I was 13.
Motorcycles and horses were now my world.
My motto: Love people more and believe them less.
The mind can be a dangerous thing.
Vanderhoven7 says,
These parallel passages have but one fulfillment.
The "great tribulation" was unrepeatedly fulfilled in the first century, culminating with the destruction of Jerusalem.
It's absolutely clear from:
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.unrepeatable
confirmation:
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.This is first century unrepeatable stuff. Jews are still in all nations today; It's not going to happen again.
Excellent. From a purely exegetical and interpretive/historical examination, ALL Christians appeared to believe the words of Jesus and Paul signalling the imminent end of life as we know it by Armageddon. Especially Jesus' prophecies. They had no ridiculous expectation of "these last days" being over 2000 years long, when the world is in a better state health and economic-wise than it has EVER been according to written records.
Today we live longer, there is less injustice, dictators are almost laughed out of existence, and even 1000 years-backward Muslim isolated spots are catching up quickly to a better life. They may live in a tent with no electricity, but they have generators, TVs, and above all, cell phones. The gap is closing quickly (thank God). We are going to have to work together or see mass genocide or annihilation by our own weapons.
So why, Vanderhoven, do you believe in a second fulfillment? Why not accept the more obvious fact that they were wrong? Will it take another 2000 years to get the point?
To me, there is a limit to credibility - except in religion of course. :-))
Not forgetting transhuman68:
It’s all Paul’s fault. He was the first person to troll the Hebrew Scriptures looking for references that he could apply to Christ. Once he started finding “prophecies” it was open slather, and everything could be found to have two fulfilments if you wanted to imagine it. And the Bible is open-ended, with Revelation projecting far into the future to a theoretical ‘end of the world’. So now every damn thing in the Bible- trees, seeds, lambs, snakes, statues- the whole lot- can be taken as having some greater meaning in the future.
Preach it, brother! That's what started the Watchtower. :-))
Phizzy had another brain fart:
Typical of the 1st Century Apocalyptic genre, lots of non-canonical stuff is similar
If you read ANY of the more liberal writings around 400 BC to 200 AD, Armageddon was right around the corner! Just pick your sect of Christians back then, of which there were many. As many as there were egotistical preachers. I'm glad Jesus was wrong, and I'm glad all of the other testosterone-driven writers were wrong.
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A Born ins challenge to develop a "post cult" personality.
by stuckinamovement ina born ins challenge to develop a post cult personality.. mentally leaving the organization can be traumatic for a number of reasons.
one of the biggest challenges for born-ins in finding their pre cult personality is that our entire personalities are based on the religion.
there is no such thing as a pre cult personality for us.
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Dogpatch
you have a message
Randy
