I never offered ANY replicas of Watchtower publications, only the real thing, most of which I purchased on eBay. Identify yourself, you liar.
Dogpatch
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In praise of Randall Watters
by nicolaou inexjw's of a certain age will remember randy's site well.
freeminds was instrumental in waking me up along with ray franz's books.
if net soup and armageddon okies mean nothing to you you're probably under 30.. whatever caused randy to post what he did recently is something i can only guess at but it won't be what i remember him for.. randy, i wish you well and thank you for all you've done over the years .
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In praise of Randall Watters
by nicolaou inexjw's of a certain age will remember randy's site well.
freeminds was instrumental in waking me up along with ray franz's books.
if net soup and armageddon okies mean nothing to you you're probably under 30.. whatever caused randy to post what he did recently is something i can only guess at but it won't be what i remember him for.. randy, i wish you well and thank you for all you've done over the years .
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Thank all of you!
Check out my Facebook at randall.watters
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Some apostates are coming across as crazed psychopaths
by jambon1 ini'm not sure whether or not my view on this is correct so please leave your input.
in recent months i've been viewing youtube videos.
again, it might just be my view but there has been an increased amount of random people grabbing a camera and doing vlogs.
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Dogpatch
I have NEVER felt bitter in my life. But I do like to stir the pot. Gets stupid people to shut up, and others unaware of things to wake up with a mild shock.
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Historical Meanings of Sheol & Hades
by Perry infor those of you interested in getting to the bottom of the watchtower's teaching on sheol, hades, condition of the dead etc.
; this information is about as good as it gets.
the idea of consciousness after death was widely accepted from israel's earliest times, contrary to what the watchtower would have its members believe.. the lexicographical evidence is so clear that the great princeton scholar, b. b. warfield; stated that with modern hebrew scholars, there is no hesitation to allow with all heartiness that israel from the beginning of its recorded history cherished the most settled conviction of the persistence of the soul in life after death.
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Dogpatch
If you want more info on this than you can possibly digest in one week, try this:
http://freeminds.org/doctrine/hellcomp.htm
I compiled this when challenged by a DF'd eldeer in Canoga Park area in about 1983, based on the two best books done on the subject , without their permission to quote so much. :-))
Robert Morey liked it because it agreed more with the traditional view, and a year or so later Fudge saw it on my site and wrote me saying I could have permission to quote so extensively from HIS book that he gave me post-permission to print it and put it online!
Needless to say, the ex- anointed elder had no response! Took me a long time. Though I have NEVER believed in hell, it was intended to show theerrors of the WT's position on hell (which is technically called "annihilationist." (Nothing survives your death.)
It was fun to compile!
Randy Watters
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Crisis of Consience market price (we are in a bull market)
by NewYork44M ini was considering getting another copy of one of ray's books and was shocked about the market value.
is ray's book worth $1,000?
perhaps, but it is a bit shocking.
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Dogpatch
When I die I will be forgotten in a month. No big deal. I just want my scrapbooks up!
When I ended up in the hospital two years ago, got out with no explanation of my problem and they still haven't figured it out yet, only about 4 or 5 people out of my 2800 subscribers bothered to email me, and NONE from this board. Even all my own bloggers! That's why I shut down freeminds2.org. I canned the site because of my "helpers" and "bloggers." It wasn't worth killing myself and trying to help unappreciative persons and people who offered their help and bailed, leaving me dead in the water. . Life on the internet is fleeting.
Doesn't bother me, I could do without all the phone calls and donations then. couldn't even take a salary after that, as 90% of our income disappeared, just because I wasn 't posting on the net daily. What kind of stupidity is that? Even my own bloggers weren't interested in what happened to me. I'm over busting my ass on the Net, but freeminds.org will always continue, at least as a monument to my blood, sweat and tears for over 30 years. But I am more than happy with what I've accomplished MYSELF.
Going to reinvent myself, if I can overcome my bodily fractures. I can barely walk now, and the doctors can't figure it out. I have learned I always have to do things myself, or they won't get done. But I'm used to living that philosophy.
I have probably the only person-run cult ministry in the world that could gross over 100k a year the last few years, with NO money from churches, organizations, or very little from people on this site. I shut down my stores.
But I had a lot of generous givers that I made friends with 25-30 years ago, and they still are great friends, but they have all but retired. They kept me alive. Kudos to the Jansmas, Danny Haszard, and many other great friends of mine, who except for Danny never really visited this site. Making good friends and keeping them is the key to life... and NOT internet-only friends. Poof! and they're gone one day. A waste of time when you've already accomplished what you wanted to from the start. And I did, much more so than I expected.
I was one of the very first on the Net re: JWs in 1996, and always had the greatest traffic for decades... over 2k unique visitors a day. There are still several gigs of files, video and audio on my site, but have to fix some links now that all will be part of the freeminds.org site. I dumped all the stuff from freeminds2.org... it wasn't me at all, and all who ASKED to help that proposed to fix and work on the site bailed, dropping my income to $2800 a year because the site was broken. But I know of no one else that could, by themselves, draw in over 100k a year consistently before they came along and broke it all. But they meant well.
Oh well, I need a permanent vacation.
peace,
Randy Watters
http://randallwatters.org (links to be fixed shortly)
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What Would Happen if the Watchtower Loses Their TAX EXEMPT STATUS?
by John Aquila inwould it really affect them?
how would it affect volunteers at any construction project since that work would now be taxable.
any materials they buy would be taxable.
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Dogpatch
Terry is right: If the IRS refuses to disallow SCIENTOLOGY as a tax exempt religion, they sure aren't going to touch the Watchtower.
The U.S. Govt. doesn't want to touch church policies with a 1914 foot pole. Only true felonies and crimes.
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The GB, Black Magicians?
by What is Truth? inwould you consider the members of the governing body of jw's to be in black magicians in the modern world?
for your consideration their effects in society.. 6.2 black magic spells.
in black magic, the priests cast spells: they recite formulas, conduct rituals, make magic items.
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Dogpatch
Actually, the GB has less to say about these things currently than the board members, who aren't on the GB. (Purposely) They setr this up so they can keep the GB on puppett strings, a perpetual way of doing things. They isolate the elders and GB members on a whim, and keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit. But soon John Adams (president) and the other old control freaks will bite the dust, right about the time the Borg fragments into a hundred break-off groups, where the GB will be even more stupid and uninteresting. Don Adams has ran things at Bethel for decades, especially since Knorr. The average JW doesn't know the GBs are just puppets... but the same thing happened in 1977 When I was there (1974-1980) and they brought in a dozen more GB members. Each had to S*() Knorr's ^&*( . :-)) By the time Adams and the real leaders are gone, the Borg will have already begun its fractionlalization due to stupid, uncharismatic leadership, and new elders hungry for reform.. Study the history of the Worldwide Church of God (Herbert W. Armstrong) and you will understand it all. There is a great DVD on that story out. Wikipedia link.
My aunt was in that cult for over 25 years, and always told my mom and dad they were in a cult when they were Witnesses. LOL
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Crisis of Consience market price (we are in a bull market)
by NewYork44M ini was considering getting another copy of one of ray's books and was shocked about the market value.
is ray's book worth $1,000?
perhaps, but it is a bit shocking.
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Crisis of Consience market price (we are in a bull market)
by NewYork44M ini was considering getting another copy of one of ray's books and was shocked about the market value.
is ray's book worth $1,000?
perhaps, but it is a bit shocking.
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Dogpatch
It is simple. Ray had a glut of the previous 3rd-cover edition, before the last paperback version, which was revised from the hardcover. Ray had a garage full of hardcovers that weren't selling good, since a newer and cheaper paperback version was printed by Amazon. Dan Dystra And his wife Deb took care of Cynthia, and Deb took over the book sales, and wanted to get rid of the remaining hardcovers, so they didn't want to paperback on Amazon yet. So
Deb and Cynthia decided it was best to hold back distributing the newer revised paperback until they unloaded much of the hardcovers. There were stalls along the way. Not a scheme, just they need to unload a garage full of books, originally printed by Tom Cabeen's company.
So now you can get the newer paperback cheap, and the older hardcover. Best bet is the downloads! Save your money.
No scam, just practical idea that took way too long to implement, thus the VERY high prices on Amazon for awhile. Before Deb, I was basically the only authorized seller except for a couple of others of his friends.
Now Amazon has the rights to print and distribute it. But it is offline for now, and only the expensive versions are listed. Get a digital copy! I shut down my store, and never made much money from them, although I sold thousands over the years, I guess the garage still has quite a few paperbacks left. Not good marketing strategy for such a needed book, but the girls must know what they are doing. (???)
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Beginning of my Puerto Rico trip to visit Nestor and Toni Kuilan
by Dogpatch inman these videos take a lot of work sometimes!
3 months later i am now going to put them all up in a week.. .
you won't be disappointed .
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Dogpatch
Man these videos take a lot of work sometimes! 3 months later I am now going to put them all up in a week.
YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED
There are a total of NINE VIDEO INTERVIEWS (English and Spanish) with Nestor and Toni Kuilan (former Watchtower Spanish New World Translation translators)
I will try to add one each day... it's a lot of work, and it could be a lot better with an expert videographer, but these are my buds... I don't give damn. LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE. Half are in English with duplicates for most (except the first one) in Spanish as well. Sorry, this whole video process is retarded.
Or is it me? Don't be rude!
Dogz