Welcome, Noniya! I do believe there was a candidate who had a similar name on "America's Next Top Model" on televison last season, she was a lovely young lady.
Alpheta
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Welcome Noniya to the forum!
by AK - Jeff inher first post was here;.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/121897/3.ashx.
not pertinent to the sunject at hand - so i assume she did not know how to begin a thread maybe.
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Where I stand...
by Justice-One ini guess its good that i now know where i stand with at least one of my disfellowshiped sons.
) i told him (in a joking tone just to feel him out) today that i really would like to know the names of the brothers on the committee that df'ed him.
he asked why, and i told him that i thought they might like a gift subscription to playgirl.
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Alpheta
Dear Justice One,
A quote: "And as for his reaction... he has known since childhood that his Dad has a sick and twisted sense of humor. Besides, it kinda removes all doubt when he continued and said something to the effect of "just because I'm disfellowshiped, doesn't mean I don't think its not the truth." '
My advice, for what it is worth, is first, sincerely (emphasis on sincerely) apologize to your son. Tell him that you did not MEAN to disrepect his beliefs. I think that anything less than a sincere apology would indicate that you are less than respectful of your son's ability to make choices for himself. This would - naturally - put up his back and make his defense alarms go off big time.
You implied that you have a certain "sense of humor" that your son should now. Maybe he has known, "since childhood" that his dad has a certain type of humor, but he may find it offensive. Have you ever asked??? Out of respect for you, his dad, perhaps he has never dared, and will not, now. But it's something you should consider...
As a dad, perhaps your approach to this son has been not quite on the money. Worth considering. Final words, bitchy as they may be, do you want your son back, or do you want to be "right?"
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Alpheta
LOL! Sounds like something out of the old TV series "V"......the only things missing are the forked tongue and gulping down a live rat. Frannie Bannanie: Too funny! LOL! How about the "star child" being born who, as I seem to recall, saved the world from the alien invasion? Perhaps the WTBTS will produce one, heh, and all the true believers will be released from their slavery, at last... Perhaps we should have a contest, who will be the "star child"...
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WT monitors sites?
by Gordy inthere was a post on the other day someone was asking about whether the wt monitors websites such as this and other "apostate" sites.. unfortunately i couldn't find it to add this to it.
i remembered a jw who worked on installing computers at london bethel, some time ago telling me that the wt did monitor websites.
this jw is gradually fading away from being one, so can't say to much about him.
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Alpheta
Please, for us techno-idiot types, like me, in plain English. Can "they" get your name and address and telephone number because you post on a message board?
Actually, they'd spend their time more fruitfully sending the elders after the df'ds and da'ds. I da'd in October, 2003 and have had NIL contact since then. I won't ever go back, but it sure would be nice to be able to say "don't come" to a telephone call or even better to slam the door in their faces if they showed up one day, unannounced!
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Annual Meeting Notes
by NikL inthis is an e mail making the rounds of the faithfull.
supposedly notes from the annual society meetiing.
in case anyone is interested.. ****************.
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Alpheta
Taking a quote from bronzefist's quote:
"We must not look at their flaws, but rather view them as Jehovah does, and be ready to die for them.
Love – for Jehovah and for our bro&sis. We must make peace with our b&s and bury any problems in an unmarked grave!"This is just double-speak for "THOU SHALT NOT BRING LAW SUITS AGAINST THY FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE OR ANY OF OUR VARIOUS CORPORATE ENTITIES, DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN, NO MATTER WHAT THEY MAY BE CALLED AND NO MATTER WHO MAY BE LISTED AS OFFICERS AND DIRECTORS AND NO MATTER WHERE WE MAY HAVE SHELERED THE MONEY, EVEN IF IT BE IN OFF-SHORE ACCOUNTS IN ARUBA OR JERSEY (THAT IS, THE ISLE OF JERSEY FOR YOU ILLITERATES AND HOPEFULLY, MOST OF YOU ARE ILLITERATE BY NOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN FAITHFULLY FOLLOWING OUR DICTATES LO THESE MANY YEARS TO NOT GET A COLLEGE EDUCATION....)
In other words, you, rank and file, must not sue us for our crimes against you (insert your own particular crime here), but instead, you should be DYING for us or, if you can't quite bring yourself to do that, just FORGIVE us. No matter what, just BURY everything in that old unmarked grave.
Hmmmm, a rather neat synopsis of WTBTS history. Ha!
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Need advice - marriage in crisis
by truthseeker ini've been a member of this forum for a while now.
i need some advice.
i can't say too much about myself because i'm still an active witness, though not by choice.. my marriage is in trouble and the one thing that causes it is being a member of jehovah's witnesses.. i was born and raised in the truth like so many others here.
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Alpheta
"She is a follower - she needs to be told what to believe, how to worship etc. She takes no notice of anything I have to say if it doesn't come from "mother" so to speak."
Hi Truthseeker. I didn't get through even half the posts here already with all the excellent advice, I just had to answer this comment you made and add my own two cents worth. Seems to me, from a female perspective, that you're pushing your wife too hard. Way too hard. You see the "truth" about the truth, but she doesn't/hasn't/doesn't want to yet/won't admit/is in denial cuz it's against everything she's come to believe - and sacrificed probably a hell of a lot for. So, my advice is - back off - for awhile. Just back off.
I know you think you're being reasonable, but my take is that from your wife's perspective (and yes, from mine, for what it's worth), you are constantly in attack mode, trying to wipe out everything she spent so long building up to believe. So yes, you SAY she's not so strong now in her believes - but then, if that's true, why is she fighting so hard BACK against you, heh?
Seems to me it's one of two things. Either she still really does believe it's the truth, or else she deep down inside resents the hell out of how hard you are pushing her to admit it's not the truth, and she doesn't like being pushed. Either way, I think your current approach is doing more harm than good.
You love the woman - so SHOW IT FOR FRIGGING SAKE! Forget all about the truth, etc. Buy her flowers, take her out to dinner, make her dinner, take her out dancing, to shows, make a bon fire in the back yard and romance her, man, romance her. Hire a baby sitter for the child and go on a vacation somewhere, if you can afford it; or ask some family to take the child for a few days so you two can get away and just be by yourselves. And then do this, over and over again, until she gets the point that you really actually and deeply love her - the woman - and that you feelings have nothing to do with JW or your fight about who's right and wrong here. Because you see, that's how she's seeing this now, it's a fight about who's right and who's wrong. And being a strong minded woman myself, that would make me want to fight on, even if deep down inside I knew you were right because, you see, it's about not giving up the fight. So, you have to make it NOT A FIGHT.
Don't think I've put this as well as I might, but I hope you get the idea I was aiming for. For goodness sakes, don't give up, but you've got to change your tactics!
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Hi everyone
by BAAKO injust wanted to introduce myself to every one here i am ania's sister and have been visiting her for a few days.
she has found some inner peace and solace in identifying with others.
i must say it has opened my eye's somewhat!.
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Alpheta
Welcome! My goodness, we've had a lot of new ones on board the past few months (myself included). Double Welcome.
"Jaracz welcomes you!!! welcome!" What A Coincidence, you are a hoot!
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Just wanted to say Hello!
by RandomD ini am from the southeast usa, and i started going to the kh when i was about 14 years old.
i went pretty regularly until i was about 18, then i went to only sunday meetings.
i married my husband of 16 years, who was a baptized jw ( i wasn't).
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Alpheta
Hi RandomD,
Welcome to the board!
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Lorenz Reibling, Knocking, and the WTS
by Jourles infirst off, i'm just throwing this out there to see if anyone else would like to take a stab at where this might lead.
scandalous?
probably not, but interesting nonetheless.. if you take a look at the knocking website, you will notice at the bottom of each page is a list of supporters.
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Alpheta
Hmmmm, I found this interesting:
"His early research on personality changes in heart transplant patients was conducted at University Hospital Munich Grosshadern."
One of my bible study teachers, Eva, was at the time I left the org in October, 2003, an old-timer with a brother at Patterson. If they are still alive, Eva would be about 83-84 now and David would be a few years older. Anyway, at least a few years before I left one Sunday afternoon during a lunch with several older "friends", I don't remember how the subject came up but Eva absolutely floored me when she asserted that it was proven that people who had had heart transplants afterwards exhibited changed personalities! My reaction was Eva, you're joking! That's like that old tale about the murderer's hand being sewn on to the pianist (or something like that) - didn't they make a Twilight Zone out of that - and the pianist becomes a murderer because he can't resist the evil impulses of the hand!!!!!
But she was absolutely serious and based her conviction upon something in Psalms about the heart being the seat of all man's motivation, or words to that effect. I countered that a heart is just muscle and tissue and works like a pumping machine, and it doesn't have a "personality" - but she and three other older people we were lunching with were convinced about this heart transplant changing personality story. They were so adamant, I figured it must have been a strongly embedded WTBTS teaching from before I'd joined the org.
Sooooo - this is, I'll admit, certainly off the wall and circumstantial - does Reibling's research mean he's a Witness? Or a sympathizer? If he's not a Witness, I'm wondering if at some point the WTBTS used his research to support its prior stand AGAINST organ transplants? And could this have led to contact between "headquarters" and the high mucky mucks and Reibling? I know the WTBTS did a doctrinal flip-flop on organ transplants at some point, but it was before my time as a bible study and then Witness, and it's not something I ever looked up for myself.
It's all rather curious, isn't it!
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Our site and THAT article, what we have decided to do.
by fullofdoubtnow inas many of you know, we were asked to remove an article from our website the other day after pressure on the site admin from jws.
we had thought of rewriting it, and including references, then putting it back on the site.. however, we aren't going to do that now.
instead, trev has expanded the article somewhat, and included examples, all of which ended up with the abusive jw concerned going to prison, and we are having 2000 copies printed initially, and distributed locally.
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Alpheta
"Think Goat" - LOL LOL LOL! And even funnier, it's a real advertisement!!!!! Give a poor farmer a Goat. LOL LOL LOL! Oh my! I know how much work they are and how much time it takes to maintain an active site. Good job!