I hope this works.
Here is the URL http://www.strike9.com/file.aspx/path=/doinmypart/fullsize/inactive.pdf
Edited by - doinmypart on 27 December 2002 17:25:38
Edited by - doinmypart on 27 December 2002 17:39:21
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has anyone seen a copy of the letter to the elders, about the upcoming visits on inactive ones?.
does anyone have this letter, and can you post it?
I hope this works.
Here is the URL http://www.strike9.com/file.aspx/path=/doinmypart/fullsize/inactive.pdf
Edited by - doinmypart on 27 December 2002 17:25:38
Edited by - doinmypart on 27 December 2002 17:39:21
wall street journal, december 9, 2002. marketplace section in an article about mormons.... "the mormon church, of course, isn't the only religion to shun or cast out dissenting members, scholars say.
the vatican has excommunicated catholics for disobeying papal edicts.
many orthodox jews disown family members for marrying outside the faith.
WSJ 12/9/02 article, in Marketplace section, Title: "Mormon Elders Give a Reprieve To a Skeptic" by Jim Carlton.
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url to the story http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1614&dept_id=161052&newsid=6011345&pag=461&rfi=9.
just wondering if there is a lull in the correspondence of the society to the body of elders?
or have we lost some of our contacts on this board?
it seems a few months ago there would always be a new boe letter posted every few weeks.
There have not been many BOE letters lately. There will be a supplementary elder's school this Fall in the U.S. The school will be for two days, my school is scheduled in October. I will try to record it. We were told to study the following references.
Pay Attn. pp 40-2, 92-4, 113-15;
Benefit from TMS Education pp 9-12, 27-32, 47-55, 265-71, 282-5;
Material to be considered at the CBS for the week of the course;
Material to be considered at the TMS for the week of June 16, 2003;
WT 1/1/95 pp 27-31;
WT 10/15/96 pp16-19;
WT 1/15/99 pp 21-4;
KM 9/01 p.3;
KM 8/02 pp 3-4;
KM 10/02 p. 3 (TMS schedule for 2003)
1000 were asked to leave brooklyn bethel (actually, this includes the farm and patterson) "voluntarily!
" only 6 replied to the request in the last 3 weeks.
it looks like the "waters" of bethel are drying up, or rather, their revenues are drying up!
It has been awhile since I posted, but I wanted to share this.
I spoke to a recent Ministerial Training School (MTS) graduate and my cousin serving at WT Farms. My cousin confirmed that WT would like to lose 1500 Bethelites mainly due to attrition. Both my cousin and the MTS graduate said that not many brothers are applying for MTS, so WT is allowing Bethelites to apply to MTS and married couples at Bethel may be invited to future Gilead classes. Before sending these brothers back to the local congregations, WT wants to make sure that they will be good Society-men by sending them through MTS.
still feeling the guilt.. why?.
i havent done enought.. but i feel my hands are tied.. i could write to friends, call them go to the hall and make a speech,or go to assembly grounds, hand out leaflets.. but if i do any of that i will be disfellowshipped.. then no one will talk to me even my family will have problems.. but if i don't do something now what good is my current standing with the witnesses, whats the point in being able to talk to them if i don't use it to any effect?.
do i just sod it all ,write a load of letters , even go to the hall i put my hand up and say what i really think?.
Sleepy, I have similar feelings. I'm trying to determine what to do, how to tread in my current situation. I like what JBean said "take my time, take care of myself emotionally and physically, and with lots of prayer", seems to be good advice.
is it because we're a cynical lot?.
maybe because we were the first generation of latch-key kids who learned how to raise ourselves?.
what is it that makes it so 'hard to lie to a gen xer?
Thanks for bumping this Black Man.
How much can I say w/out revealing too much. Well I'm a GenXr. I work(ed) hard in the org because I always thought I was doing the right thing. Thought everything was good in my JW world. I was MS & then elder at relatively young age. I went to college and aux pio and work fulltime. I tried to do everything and do it well. Needless to say I'm no longer attending college or aux pio. I'm tired and disappointed. Hoping for better days ahead and just wondering how to get there. I talk to others in my age group and many of them feel the same way. Thankfully a number of them are not putting off college, savings, etc. I don't know if GenXrs will be the end but maybe a different breed of JW as has been stated on other discussions.
among the latest instructions to the rank and file witnesses is this one:.
"following bible principles, we will avoid trying to live (or demand others to live) by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the bible.
" (the watchtower - issue of april 15,2002, page 22, para 15).
In the past WTS has printed that there is no room for human standards, personal ideas imposed on others, yada yada yada. But for some reason this doesn't seem ever be applied. Elders still get on the platform or call somebody into the backroom and express their opinion. If one has a differing opinion they feel as if that person is not a "spiritual man".
I agree w/you Ozzie, I would like to see all of the unwritten rules go out the door. I think the bros & sis would appreciate it as well. It seems as if they (we) are all simply tired and weighed down. Something has got to give!
ok.... question - what is wrong with body piercing?
i personally feel it is a method of self expression.
i mean, i would never go and get everthing possible pierced, but i do have 2 holes in each ear, and a newly acquired belly ring.. i got my belly done 3 weeks ago, on spring break.
collegegirl wrote "how does the average JW feel about piercings??? Are they bad? Or are they a matter of conscience? Coud my situation possibly escalate? Some thoughts please"
In my cong & a few others in the circuit, a few of the sisters have multiple piercings in the ears. A couple of times a year when we meet as an elder body the subject comes up & it usually gets mentioned in a local needs part about dress & grooming. There was a YPA article a year or two ago that basically said the decision should be left up to the individual & his/her parents. But most JWs in this area still raise an eyebrow. Personally I see nothing wrong with piercings.
i have been lurking on this & other boards for a couple of years.
i am an elder in the u.s. we had an elder's meeting last week where we read a 7 page boe letter.
i have a copy in pdf format and would like to post it here.
Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I'll be hanging around here, I hope to post more and not just look.
Ranchette- I appreciate what you wrote. At the moment my wife is very much pro-JW. In the past I've tried the hard core approach, with the things I learned about our religion. Now I understand that I need to use more tact and subtlety. I'm trying. I know that many were/are hurt by the things elders say and do, I've tried to balance my elder body by being as "liberal" as possible and take up for the friends when and where I can. I'm not trying to be anybody's Knight in Shining Armor, I just think the elders, COs, DOs, etc can be a bit more reasonable. Perhaps I'm being naive.
Farkel- you are absolutely correct about making a difference. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that benefit from this 'net thang!