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  WTB&TS in Germany Gets Tithes...

  by prophecor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ..... ....directly from your wallet if you are one of jehovah's witnesses.

  it appears according to governmental regulations in germany allow for the fleecing of its adhereants, directly thru levies and tithes, taken from thier members wallets via the government, without having to ask, anymore.

  see section ii, paragraphs 1,2 and 3 of this document.

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  dust

  Wow! Vielen Dank! :)
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  WTB&TS in Germany Gets Tithes...

  by prophecor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ..... ....directly from your wallet if you are one of jehovah's witnesses.

  it appears according to governmental regulations in germany allow for the fleecing of its adhereants, directly thru levies and tithes, taken from thier members wallets via the government, without having to ask, anymore.

  see section ii, paragraphs 1,2 and 3 of this document.

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  dust

  GermanXJW,
  
  I am interested in that VAT incident in the 60's ot 70's. I suppose there is little trace of this in online sources, but if you happen to know a site where it is mentioned, I would be more than happy, especially if it is a governmental archive. (I know, I know -- but I am allowed to dream, aren't I. ;)
  
  I have googled "Mehrwertsteuer" and "Zeugen Jehovas", but there are 1450 hits. Perhaps if some newspaper has an online archive with old articles...
  
  Well, I am pretty sure you can't help, but I have to ask you know. :)
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  NWT most accurate?

  by karvel in

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  bitch, puh-leaze!.

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  dust

  Just for the record, what is it that has been scanned at the beginning of the thread?
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  Muslim Foot Washing Basin Controversy In Indianapolis!

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=7116865&nav=9tai.

  i find it curious, but take no particular view at this point.

  i can only imagine that such a thing [let's say a christian chapel] for christians would not ever come under consideration.

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  dust

  "What irritates me in all this is that the Moslems are an aggressive lot who have no respect for the Christian religion in their countries"
  
  What irritates me is that there are some people that aggressively think that religions belong in special countries. ;)
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  #4 Talk on Tues Sept 25 - Blood

  by still_in74 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all, i have to give a #4 talk on tuesday.

  topic:.

  "why true christians do not accept blood transfusions".

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  dust

  Educate them on what the Society teaches: what is acceptable and what is not. Education is good, whatsoever. Especially if the details are confusing, and in particular if "most of blood" is OK. Perhaps you want to emphasise that although it is not acceptable to be a blood donor, it is -- luckily -- acceptable to benefit from what others have donated.
  
  And maybe you would like to add that if you live in Bulgaria, then blood transfusion is acceptable alltogether:
  
  http://www.humanrights.coe.int/Bulletin/eng/ib43e.pdf
  
  Also go to http://echr.coe.int/ECHR/ and click "HUDOC", then "Access Hudoc Collection". Check the "HUDOC Collection" box at the left to search the entire base. Enter the search word "28626/95" and click "Search". This is the case number as found in the pdf mentoned above. Two of the hits in the Hudoc search are texts about the blood case. The settlement is written in French. A summary in English is found somewehere in the first-mentioned pdf.
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  Incestuous Pedophelia Promoted By German Government

  by golf2 in

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  check this out at http://www.newswithviews.com/nwv-news/news4.htm.

  golf

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  dust

  The report originally mentioned in this thread cites the booklet somewhat inaccurately: "Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters".
  
  In the Spiegel Online article mentoned by Leolaia we read (my translation):
  
  Spiegel Online: However there is this sentence: "The vagina and especially the clitoris are barely paid attention to through naming or gentle touching (neither by mothers nor by fathers). This makes it harder for the girl to develop pride in her [genderness, gender traits, sexuality -- I don't know exactly how to translate Geschlechtigkeit]." Isn't that ambiguous?
  
  Philipps: When one doesn't pay attention to the preceding paragraph, that may be the case. But those who have heard my talks or read the booklet attentively, know this: The preceding paragraph described how boys exclusively, due to their anatomy, receive this attention. Mothers and fathers have confirmed to me that of course they have pet names for the penis, and that they touch it during necessary actions such as washing and lubrication, and in order to offer tenderness, as long as this doesn't serve their sexual arousal. Girls do not experience this, hence the sentence. So I also demand that the parents shouldn't just pay attention to the female genetalia, rather that they should recognise the girl as a person.
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  Please point me to the most horrible logical fallacy from the watchtower...

  by DeusMauzzim in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...... so i can hand it in for my logic class next week and have a chance of getting it into the course program next year .

  please help this young apostate spread his evil lies at the synagogue of satan called university .

  deus mauzzim.

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  dust

  Only God (or was it Jesus? don't remember) is to decide who shall live and who shall not live.
  
  According to WT theology, in order to live you need to be a JW.
  
  The elders of the congregation can decide to disfellowship you. According to WT theology, that is a death sentence.
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  Letter that my DFed wife received from her Pioneer Mother

  by Hangin_on in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we have been dfed for almost 3.5yrs and have been trying to get back in for 2 yrs and we are getting the runaround.. anyway..... here is the letter my pregnant wife received from her elderess pioneer mother.. .

  dear mary,.

  i am writing to ask you please do not try to talk to me until you are reinstated.

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  dust

  I am not you, and so you will certainly never write anything like this, but I would have:
  
  "Dear Mother,
  
  We have tried for two years to get reinstated. It is now obvious to us that we are not welcome back, and that this is the reason for the lack of love that we experience from the congregation and from you. Paul asked the congregation to forgive the sinner before he was swallowed up by his being overly sad. Paul even left it to the congregation -- not to God -- to initiate the act of forgiveness (2 Cor 2:7-11), a congregation where not even everyone rebuked the sinner, and still Paul called them brothers. If the humans of the congregation could forgive, then also could the human Paul, and supposedly also God. The humans, not God, were the ones that needed to to see if _they_ could forgive.
  
  We need to be a part of Jehovah's congregation, the alternative is, as you know, death. After two years we now realize that we will never experience what the sinner of Corinth experienced. Instead, by shutting us off from Jehovah's organization and not finding in their hearts to forgive us, the congregation chose to sentence us to death. As also you cannot forgive, you did also sentence us to death.
  
  We know you are saddend that this penalty forbids you to ever meet your grandchild. We also know that you fear that your love towards us, if unconditional, may cause also you to be sentenced to death. We do not wish to incite that fear, knowing that fear of death for many is a greater force than love (Joh 15:13). Therefore we will comply with your request not to contact you again. If you do, however, one day choose to put love above fear of death, then it is our hope that you will once again accept our love."
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  Recording of my call to Brooklyn Service Desk...

  by deaconbluez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in what i'm hoping to do as a series for the benefit of all who want to know the truth behind the organization, here is a recorded phone call that i made about an hour ago.

  it is unedited, therefore you will notice the long gaps when the guy starts searching for an answer to my question.

  enjoy.... http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=fd70a73d1403ef59.

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  dust

  You say that according to WT literature, the 18th year of Nebuchadnezzar was in 587. But they don't say this in clear words, do they? I'd like to know more.
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  Letter To My Parents - Please Offer Critique! Thanks!

  by deaconbluez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear mom & dad,.

  heres the stuff that i said i would send concerning the 587/607bce issue, as well as some other stuff that you requested dad.

  the archeological/astronomical stuff is probably going to come across as very boring, but it is truly a help in settling the 587/607bce issue.

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  dust

  Don't attack the Society, and don't accuse it of anything. But present the facts and ask questions as to how they think you ought to relate to these facts.