Posts by Asheron

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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!

by Seeker4 in

perry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.

axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!

i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.

Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!

by Seeker4 in

perry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.

axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!

i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.

Asheron

Apostate Kate,

You seem to have more Dr's. on your list than we do so it is settled. ATTENTION ALL GODLESS ONES. Evolution is wrong and Apostate Kate and the Bible are correct!

Way to go Kate!!!!! Imagine, just that easy.

Where do I sign up for the singing and praying and such?

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Is Atheism/Evolutionism Dangerous? Questions for Unbelievers

by Perry in

does the belief that there is no all-loving diety in which to be accountable to make it easier or harder to treat and judge others they way that you want to be treated and judged?.

since evolution supposes that life and ultimately man who is at the top of the chain got here through a process of the fittest dominating and killing off the weaker, and since most modern evolutionists in democracies no longer think that this is good to practice, how do you deal with the fact that you are a living contradiction of your own belief since you pronounce the same thing both good and bad?

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Asheron

Perry,

I feel the need to say something to you and your ilk. You post a bias filled straw man question that attempts to paint a contradiction based on incorrect understandings of evolution and some kind of juvenile concept of a black and white ethic system. And then, despite several reasoned replies (on both sides) regarding the main issue and the side issue of "how can we be good without god" you ignore the points and refuse to discuss them, choosing instead to hide behind the ramparts of "I will not put God on trial".

You point out once again what is inherently wrong with Religious faith and in my opinion is most DANGEROUS. The ability to judge all who do not believe as you but the complete inability to have a discourse that may result in a better understanding of both sides and dare I say it, a peaceful coexistence.

You said: “Who are you to judge God so that I should follow your misdirection and judge Him as you tempt me to do? He is infinite in all respects. You are but a vapor” "I appreciate everyone's posts. I have nothing really further to add. This thread was about whether Atheism/Evolutionism was dangerous. I'm not going to put God on trial for the reasons I stated in my last post. Another thread recently covered that topic anyway.

You are but a vapor??? God on trial???? Judge him???

So its okay for you to judge everyone that doesn’t accept your belief system (like Atheists) and try to paint them as false but as soon as the gloves come off a little you run away.

Here are a few more questions for you that I am sure you will not answer.

If you do things for the GLORY of God, does that not imply that he? (God) is pleased by being found to be worthy of worship? What is this great cosmic play of good and evil all about anyway is we are not to judge the worthiness of God over that of Satan? Did not you at some point make a “judgment” regarding the worthiness of your God?

In reading back through your posts I found a few admissions of times in your life where you questioned your faith. Was that not in effect judging God? I say you have already put God on trail and found him worthy so why the fear of conducting a reasoned discussion?

Perhaps you got in over your head when your poor attempt to “trip up” us Atheists fell apart?

Later

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Is Atheism/Evolutionism Dangerous? Questions for Unbelievers

by Perry in

does the belief that there is no all-loving diety in which to be accountable to make it easier or harder to treat and judge others they way that you want to be treated and judged?.

since evolution supposes that life and ultimately man who is at the top of the chain got here through a process of the fittest dominating and killing off the weaker, and since most modern evolutionists in democracies no longer think that this is good to practice, how do you deal with the fact that you are a living contradiction of your own belief since you pronounce the same thing both good and bad?

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Asheron

Perry,

Do you answer questions or are you just going to preach now as in your last response?

Asheron

Poem/Eulogy for a Dog

by Asheron in

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friends

i just read a poem written about a dog that had died.. .

"in this life of thirteen years i have learned .

there is no perfect ball, .

Asheron

I just read a poem written about a dog that had died.

"In this life of thirteen years I have learned…
There is no perfect ball,
There is no perfect stick,
There is no perfect Master,
But the ones I had were all good enough for me.

And I am content,
As I lay down to sleep ..."

I want to die thinking that way.

Asheron

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Is Atheism/Evolutionism Dangerous? Questions for Unbelievers

by Perry in

does the belief that there is no all-loving diety in which to be accountable to make it easier or harder to treat and judge others they way that you want to be treated and judged?.

since evolution supposes that life and ultimately man who is at the top of the chain got here through a process of the fittest dominating and killing off the weaker, and since most modern evolutionists in democracies no longer think that this is good to practice, how do you deal with the fact that you are a living contradiction of your own belief since you pronounce the same thing both good and bad?

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Asheron

Perry,

I wish I had the benifit of your clarity in determining what is good and bad. Since you seem to think that there is some kind of "absolute" Good and Bad rule book somewhere can you please tell me if the actions of the following people were Good or Bad.

Able commiting incest to populate the Earth. Good or Bad?

God created Satan. Good or Bad?

My uncle killed a man to save his wife and child from being murdered. Good or Bad?

Of course specific morals, good actions and bad actions or Ethics are ever changing and are decided by the culture and times that events occur in. With that being said ,Is there a such thing as universal morality, that sufficiently philosophical humans have arrived at without any need for belief in the Christian God? The evidence seems to suggest that despite some minor variation and the shrill, bigoted objections of fundamentalists, there most certainly is. There are certain truths which really doappear to be "self-evident", and which philosophers have discussed for thousands of years in various places all over the world, reaching similar conclusions with or without Christianity. So is "universal morality" dependent upon faith in the Christian god? I dont think so.

The world has many religions. If there is no morality without God, then should we believe that morality doesn't exist in any part of the world until it converts to Judaism or one of its offshoots? The ancient Chinese religious triumvirate of Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism wasn't based on Christianity. The Greeks had democracy, civilization, philosophy, and science long before Jesus was born. The Egyptians built a thriving civilization more than four thousand years ago. The Romans built an Empire without any help from Jesus or his God. Tribes and civilizations flourished throughout Africa, Australia, South America, North America, and islands all over the Pacific Ocean. All these places had different religions, different customs, different languages ... but most still shared certain moral concepts. Murder was considered immoral. Theft was considered immoral in all societies too large to function as tribal collectives. It was considered noble to help another, and contemptible to hurt others for the sake of personal gain. Honesty was praised. Deception and betrayal were vilified. Governments and gods didn't always obey these laws, but philosophers in all these places somehow found a way to come to similar conclusions. The question that fundamentalists ignore is: if morality flows from God and God alone, then how did this happen? Given the enormous differences in religious beliefs between all these cultures, how did people independently arrive at similar conclusions all over the world, with regard to murder, betrayal, theft, and altruism? Could there (gasp!) be a moral standard out there which doesn't require God?

So where did "we" get these "universal morality" concepts. Are they programed into us? Are they REALLY self-evident. I say no to both. These "truths" have been arrived at through the oldest form of learning we have as smart animals. TRIAL and ERROR!! We have had thousands of years of human expieriance to try most every sort of interaction and to learn what works and what doesnt from a survival standpoint. In a word our moral system has EVOLVED along with us.

Simply put:"Ethics are rules for a stable society and can be arrived at by observation and analysis of the results of behavior and predictions based on rules derived from experience."

"A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death."- Albert Einstein, in an article which appeared in New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930.

Asheron (the sinful Atheist)

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What symbol or 'icon' would you choose to represent non-believers?

by nicolaou in

christians have the cross, muslims the star & crescent, jews the star of david.

so what sign do you think might best represent atheists and non-believers?

i think i've made my own opinion quite clear for a while.. .

Asheron

I believe the symbol below says it all.

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Truth about 666, the beast and the seal of beast

by nickols_k in

peace to you!.

i've published the article: .

this material makes understanding of revelation more clear and will help to be saved for many many people and will help to avoid terrible plagues for many other people!

Asheron

Dave,

Seriously...........Aliens 3 sucked.

Asheron (Ripley Class)

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Does anyone live on a warm Island or in the Keys?

by Asheron in

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every year about this time the wife and i have our yearly talk about selling everything and moving to a tropical location.

we are getting more and more serious about this as the years go by.

we have even made a financial plan.. one of the possible destinations are the caymans because of its openess to other nationalities.

Asheron

Wow...thanks for all the advice. Who new that there were so many folks that considered/tried it on here.

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Truth about 666, the beast and the seal of beast

by nickols_k in

peace to you!.

i've published the article: .

this material makes understanding of revelation more clear and will help to be saved for many many people and will help to avoid terrible plagues for many other people!

Asheron

Thanks for clearing that up. That was concerning me. Did the Beast have anything to to with that Aliens 3 cause the plot was awful.... You would think that any self respecting Demon would influence a better script.

Be bless

Asheron