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  How deep did you search to finally quit being a JW?

  by JH in

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  in my case, i never did much research or read alot of apostate literature to get out of the jw religion.

  all i looked at was their heart and how they treated me.

  that alone spoke for itself..

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  Asheron

  Moomin,

  Thanks for the compliment Moomin. I was a little to "cerebral" for a 17 year old in the view of some. I may have stayed longer if the teatment I recieved was more accepting but in retrospect I am glad I saw the true colors early on.
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  How deep did you search to finally quit being a JW?

  by JH in

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  in my case, i never did much research or read alot of apostate literature to get out of the jw religion.

  all i looked at was their heart and how they treated me.

  that alone spoke for itself..

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  Asheron

  I didnt do any research prior to leaving. I asked some elders some questions and that led me to the door.

  Here are a few of the questions:

  1. Did Cain and Abel marry thier sisters? If so, why is it now considerered a sin to marry even a cousin? I asked this in respose to an Elders statement that morals are absolute and Jehovah doesnt "change his face"

  2. Why is having an organ transplant a matter of consience when having a blood transfusion is wrong? There are most certainly blood cells in the transplanted organ when it is placed in your body. Do you violate Jehovahs law if you only take a few cells or is it ok if you dont know about them?

  3. Why cant we talk to a DF person if Jesus talked to a prostitute? Surly a person commiting intentional sin is less moral than someone than someone who made a one or two sin mistake?

  4. How can we be sure we are "Jehovah Chosen People" if some of our teachings are wrong? (regarding New Light) What percentage of our Bible understanding has to be correct to be considered Jah's people? 100%? 90% 80% ? What if some of the core beliefs are wrong? Are they more important that smaller things?

  I did not ask these in a confrontational manner and I truely wanted some answers. I was 17 years old when I asked these and I had many more but the answer was the same to every one. Trust in Jehovah and dont worry about these things. As I asked more questions the Elders started treating me colder and colder and finally wouldnt talk to me any more. In fact one of them told my mom "he is to smart for his own good and he will be destoyed at armageddon if he doesnt become more humble". One of the Elders told my mom that she should throw me out of the house if I continued to question the teachings. She did.
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  The pro's and con's of being in the truth

  by The wanderer in

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  it is understandable that individuals who read this thread will more.

  than likely become offended and to those who feel as such i will .

  apologize.

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  Asheron

  Your right wanderer There are alot of "pros" and "cons" My widowed mother was "Pro-ffesionaly conned" into donating all of my fathers life insurance money to help build a new hall while I and my brother went to school hungry. My brother was "Pro-ffesionally conned" into believing he was a dirty minded person for having normal sexual thoughts and now he is dysfuntional. I was "Pro-ffesionally conned" out of a colledge education. Right now my poor brother is being "Pro-ffesionally conned" into going to bethel to scrub toilets because he was denied any training or schooling in life.

  In total my family was conned out of 75 years of freedom.
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  feeling blah - angry at the cult...

  by EyesOpened in

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  i posted awhile back, been "lurking" pretty much daily over the past months and from reading everyone's posts - i actually have gotten to know some of you... sort of... if you read my profile you will know i was a lifer, pretty much knee deep in the 'borg (picking up the slang.... i stopped cold turkey last fall - didn't go to memorial, special assembly day, district convention, circuit assembly... no field service in almost a year... these are all firsts... and i am 40 years old.... guess what, i have ignored phone calls, messages from the cong elders, everyone was panic'd for the first 3 months or so... then it all stopped... no calls... they have written me off i guess... of course it has helped that i moved 45 minutes south of my congo, back to my home town - where everyone in the congs around here know me... the rumor mill has told them something is up, but since i'm not df or da, they don't know how to act - so they just ignore me.... i just need to vent abit - feeling down lately because of the things i have learned - feeling betrayed by my parents for joining such a cult.

  blaming jw's for ruining my sister's lives, blaming jw's for wasting my life... i want to go to a meeting and yell during the public talk about how foolish everyone is for belonging to this cult... .

  it seems i have accepted the loss all of my conditional friends - hundreds of them in central indiana... i see them at the mall, at restaurants and they look right past me... kinda funny now, but it still hurts when my former friends - even the best man at my wedding - refuses to talk to me or even call to ask what is going on and why i stopped... i am invisible.

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  Asheron

  Welcome Brother. Let the free thinking begin.

  Dont let the anger win but by all means let it have a place. It will fade and be replaced by calm eventually.
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  How do you answer this question??

  by LuciousJ in

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  ok, i'm now da'd as many of you already know.

  it's so fresh that my stomach turns everytime the subject comes up about religion.

  however, something that does puzzle me a bit.......is how do you answer people when they ask you the question "what religion are you?

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  Asheron

  I answer that I am an Agnostic Skeptic and a practicing Humanist. If they are still there after that answer than maybe..just maybe... I can have a further discussion on what that means. I truly hate labels and I get tired of the human species need to always classify and "herd-ise" everyone. When we label ourselves or allow others to do so we self limit our own capabilities.

  Did I just go off on a tangent?
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  Headed to Berlin Germany on Sept 3rd What shouldnt we Miss?

  by Asheron in

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  the wife (originally from stuttgart germany) and i are going there for the first time.

  any suggestions?

  no kingdom hall addresses please...lol

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  Asheron

  lmao that was good.
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  IF YOU COULD GO BACK IN TIME WOULD YOU MARRY YOUR SPOUSE?

  by Dansk in

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  i've been thinking a lot about this lately and i would unhesitatingly say 'yes!'.

  we've had our ups and downs - almost always my fault .

  my god, how our upbringing can affect us!

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  Asheron

  It depends...how far back can I go..there was this cheerleader from Georgia in 85...hmmm...er..I mean....... You betcha I would marry her again!!
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  Headed to Berlin Germany on Sept 3rd What shouldnt we Miss?

  by Asheron in

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  the wife (originally from stuttgart germany) and i are going there for the first time.

  any suggestions?

  no kingdom hall addresses please...lol

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  Asheron

  Is anyone there or been there? The wife (originally from Stuttgart Germany) and I are going there for the first time. Any suggestions? No Kingdom Hall addresses please...lol
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  Did anything stick?

  by agapa37 in

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  i know that many who left the organization left for there own reasons, which are interestingly similar.

  is there anything (teaching) that stuck with them.

  i am mainly refering to the princibles that are taught.

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  Asheron

  The only useable thing that stuck was all the sales training at the Thursday night Sales.... umm... Theocratic Ministry School. I am a top salesman with a fortune 100 company. I can still remember the Elders counsel on "Overcomming Objections" I never understood why I was ranked like a deciple of Brian Tracey (Sales Guru) instead of one of Christ's.

  Thanks Watchtower Bible and Tract Society !!!
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  How Did You Choose Your Alias?

  by hambeak in

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  i' curious how everyone came up with these unique alias names.

  my partner gave me mine because my favorite meat is ham.. hambeak

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  Asheron

  Hey IP...both AC 1 and 2. Ive been playing AC 1 since beta Frostfell server ...man Im a geek