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Posts by Dagney
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22Former Elders? What did you not like about serving as an elder?
by JakeM2012 ina few of my pet peeves were:.
the po/cobe knowing that he needed to have an elders meeting after the meeting but not telling any other elders.
humm, but his wife knew.
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Was Your Leaving The Witnesses A Very Gradual Process Or A Quick One?
by minimus infor me, it took many years.. even when i would read all the changes over the years from the "truth", i still would ignore it and "wait on jehovah" and try to be a positive force in the congregation.. eventually, i just couldn't take it anymore and resigned as an elder, and slowly but surely made my fade.. what about you?
were you out, in a short or longer time?
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Dagney
I wanted to add, even though I didn't leave until 2001, the 1995 thing was HUGE to me. I started actually paying attention to crap. I started using a NJB instead of the NWT, brought it to all the meetings and started reading all the scriptures in context. I started questioning the elder friends about inconsistencies. I sat next to the BS conductor with my big NJB rolling my eyes during my last Daniel book study.
But I would have defended to death it was still the truth. Until I snapped one day and I was done.
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Was Your Leaving The Witnesses A Very Gradual Process Or A Quick One?
by minimus infor me, it took many years.. even when i would read all the changes over the years from the "truth", i still would ignore it and "wait on jehovah" and try to be a positive force in the congregation.. eventually, i just couldn't take it anymore and resigned as an elder, and slowly but surely made my fade.. what about you?
were you out, in a short or longer time?
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Dagney
(waves to shop )
Quick. I had sort of a an "out of body" moment of clarity during a Sunday WT study, and suddenly felt like I didn't belong there. My whole life flashed in my brain and what the consequences probably would be, almost like the split seconds you hear about before death. It was my last meeting. I didn't know what I was going to do; it was not planned. I was just done. And it felt absolutely like the right thing to do. I was so sure, I have never questioned it. I had no influence from the internet or anything. I read up on that stuff after I left.
As I think back on it, it was really strange how it all happened. But I am sooo glad I ripped the bandaid. It probably would have taken me years if I had thought it through and weighed it all out. Phew.
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Please Share one of your Favourite Quotations
by cofty inhave you ever come across words that resonate with you?
it doesn't have to be a great gem of wisdom, just something that is meaningful to you.. please share, and if you want to, tell us why it's meaningful to you.. here is something that made me nod when i first read it.... .
"fortunate are those who have learned to see, in the wild things of nature, something to be loved, something to be wondered at, something to be reverenced, for they have found the key to a never-failing source of recreation and refreshment".
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Dagney
See that any time you feel pained or defeated, it is only because you insist on clinging to what doesn't work. Dare to let go and you won't lose a thing except for a punishing idea. ~ Guy Finley
Each indecision brings its own delays and days are lost lamenting over the lost days… What you can do or think you can do, begin it. For boldness has magic, power and genius in it. ~ Goethe (on my desk in front of my face every day.)
I learned that it is the weak who are cruel, and that gentleness is to be expected only from the strong. ~ Leo Rosten
I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do. ~ Helen Keller
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How Many JWs Are Confident They Are Worthy?
by Ding inwhich jws do you think actually feel confident that they would survive armageddon if it came tomorrow?
gb members?
bethelites?
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Dagney
Good question. I never was worried about destruction or judgement. But my VERY faithful mother, pillar and all, would say from time to time..."I hope I make it." Seriously? Very Catholic.
It is the message they send loud and clear...you are undeserving, undesirable and unworthy.
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New Arrangement: All Can Listen In to Bethel Annual Meeting
by Red Piller ina letter read at our meeting.. .
our congregation is assigned a location (a nearby congregation) to listen (video, also?
) to the annual meeting.
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Dagney
Oh great...another meeting.
I wonder if they will see this a some great priviledge, or no big deal since the annual meeting notes went out over the internet before the final prayer.
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Were Any of You Part of the L.A. JW Party Scene in the Late 60s/Early 70s?
by DNCall inif you were, you'll remember how happening it was..
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Dagney
I remember them. My brother came to get me to spend a few weeks with his family and I was scared to death. They kept telling me it would be okay, but I remember I kept telling them "but it's in Los Angeles!"
I worked for quite a few years in Vernon in the 90's and early 2000's, and went back to the old neighborhood, elementary school. Very different.
Glad your dad got you out of there also Isot4.
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Were Any of You Part of the L.A. JW Party Scene in the Late 60s/Early 70s?
by DNCall inif you were, you'll remember how happening it was..
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Dagney
Whoa, small world. I was in HP as a little girl, left in 1964.
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Another one...nine felony counts - Sun Valley, CA
by Dagney inhttp://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/church-usher-charged-with-sexual-abuse-of-boy-parishioners-217825121.html.
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church usher charged with sexual abuse of boy parishionersmarcelo lozano, 34, faces nine felony countsby melissa pamer| thursday, aug 1, 2013 | updated 1:51 am pdtview comments ()|email|printadvertisementan usher at a jehovah's witnesses congregation in sun valley was charged wednesday with sexually abusing four boys he met at the church.. marcelo lozano, 34, is expected to be arraigned wednesday afternoon at van nuys superior court with nine felony counts, according to the los angeles county district attorneys office.. lozano, who was an usher for the churchs spanish congregation, allegedly abused boys who ranged from 8 to 15 years old between 2006 and 2013.. he is charged with two counts each of aggravated sexual assault of a child, continuous sexual abuse and oral copulation of a person under 14. and he faces one count each of forcible lewd act upon a child, lewd act upon a child and sodomy of a person under 14 with 10 years difference.. prosecutors will recommend that the defendants bail be set at $1.8 million, the das office said.. lozano faces a maximum term of life in state prison if convicted on all charges.. the los angeles police department is still investigating the case, the das office said.. .
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Dagney
I never watch the 11PM news but I did tonight, and caught this. Thr police are hoping more step forward. I wonder what the direction is from HQ to the congregation.
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Were Any of You Part of the L.A. JW Party Scene in the Late 60s/Early 70s?
by DNCall inif you were, you'll remember how happening it was..
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Dagney
LisaRose, I was in Oxnard as a teen, before leaving to needgreat.