Posts by Dagney

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The frustration of talking to a person with a closed mind

by TheStumbler in

okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.

i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.

i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.

Dagney

I feel your frustration. You cannot argue with faith. There are some masterful arguements on this site, one most memorable regarding the flood...wish I could find it again. In the end, you could see the only defense was "I believe..."

What jgnat said about find one point and directing it toward the natural mind is excellent. As much as your mind is spinning about facts, I have found it effective to address something that reaches out to their emotion or feeling, sense of injustice. You never know what will stick.

Good luck.

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What? How did 25 years go by so fast ...

by Simon in

i'm sitting here listening to google music (which is great btw) and decided to put one of bob dylans newer albums on.. oh mercy.

it's a great album.

i remember it coming out.

Dagney

Great album Simon. Love love love "Most of the time."

Strange, thinking that's a 'recent' album...and it's 25 years old/young! His words kill me.

I saw him a few times in the last 10 years. Once time he was just playful as can be and you could understand everything he sang. Another time it was harder. Now that I think about it, the second time we were in the same arena as the DC/RC...in nosebleed seats...maybe that has something to do with it. Always a good show with great musicians.

What a poet.

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ALERT! - 144,000 is about to CHANGE!

by nicolaou in

any moment now .

.

Dagney

Haha! Good one!

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'Big Eyes' Movie is the story of art couple Margaret (an XJW) and Walter Keane

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/04/tim-burton-big-eyes-new-movie-margaret-walter-keane-amy-adams-christoph-waltz_n_3013705.html.

tim burton 'big eyes' movie tells the story of art couple margaret and walter keane.

tim burton, a filmmaker known for his own brand of ghoulish cartoon characters, is taking on the world of wide-eyed artist, margaret keane, in a new movie aptly titled "big eyes.".

Dagney

Anybody remember the paintings she did for Hawaii Bethel? The paradise scene with all the animals with the big eyes.

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Cognitive Dissonance - Best of

by Dagney in

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friends

i have been explaining "cognitive dissonance" to a person (that i hope finds this site and thread) who is going though it right now.

i sent the description to them with a link to additional information.. however, from a jw/exjw perspective, i would like your assistance to build a list of the various conficting thoughts perpetuated by the wtbs that creates this condition.

for instance, i gave them:.

Dagney

Thank you all. I really appreciate your time and thoughts. I'll work on the list when I can and post, hopefully tomorrow.

Zzzzzzzzzz

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Cognitive Dissonance - Best of

by Dagney in

jw
friends

i have been explaining "cognitive dissonance" to a person (that i hope finds this site and thread) who is going though it right now.

i sent the description to them with a link to additional information.. however, from a jw/exjw perspective, i would like your assistance to build a list of the various conficting thoughts perpetuated by the wtbs that creates this condition.

for instance, i gave them:.

Dagney

Hi all. I have been explaining "cognitive dissonance" to a person (that I hope finds this site and thread) who is going though it right now. I sent the description to them with a link to additional information.

However, from a JW/exJW perspective, I would like your assistance to build a list of the various conficting thoughts perpetuated by the WTBS that creates this condition. For instance, I gave them:

your best is enough vs you are not doing enough

God loves you vs if you don't do more then god will destroy yuo

God loved the world so much he gave his son... vs you are no part of the world

We are on a roll here. Can't go into more detail but it is very exciting for me, and them.

Your thoughts are very much appreciated...

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Are we starting to treat DF people differently?

by Quarterback in

some may remember the time when the private study edition of the wt wasn't to be made available to outsiders, and the df'd.. now, with the recent boe letter, sept 1, 2014, it specifically states that jw.org is making the km available even for df'd individuals.. do you sense a new trend developing?.

Dagney

Keeping accessible documents non-accessible to "certain ones" seems petty, which we know the WTBS is. Because it is all about punishing disobedient ones. The punishing keeps the others in fear of it. I don't think they will let go of DF'g anytime soon. But it's really stupid for them to try to keep publications/literature away from everybody, IMO.

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HELP needed for a friend, please. Anyone?..

by defender of truth in

a friend of mine (who has recently started reading jwn) is having trouble eating and sleeping because, even after having recently woken up to ttatt.. they are still concerned about 'demons, everlasting destruction, and jehovahs disapproval'.. i've tried to encourage them.

i'm sure you all understand that these things can take time, the transition period is often painful, to some extent.

i'm still struggling with anger and depression myself.. i'll be away from jwn, off the internet, and thus out of contact with them for a while (don't ask why)... so please don't expect me to reply to or even look at what you post, .

Dagney

Fear and control comes from what you give power to. Once you take the power away from Satan, demons, whatever...they are nothing more than words.

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144,000 New Light update

by goingthruthemotions in

i updated the list of partakers to 2013 (see below)...if i was to predict as to what new light might be coming down the borg poop shoot may be.

i would predict that they need to do something about the 144,000 being a literal number.. for two reasons:.

1. the number of partakers is increasing every year.

Dagney

GTTM: may I ask where those figures came from? I want to share them with a JW. Thank you.

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I've been Love-Bombed

by GoingGoingGone in

so my husband and i are on vacation.

we are in another country visiting his non-jw family.

we lived here for many years, and our closest jw friends are all here, albeit a 4 hr.

Dagney

I understand. Good on you for giving you children a different life. Freedom is priceless.

I feel the same way after seeing the old friends. I feel sorry for them in their delusion...the future they expect will never materialize...what a waste of life. I feel a little sorry for myself...little...just sets me back a wee bit. But when I think about the freedom I have, that chasm between gets wider and wider, and I feel less and less about it. Phew...what a journey.

Congratulations on your successful exit!