a woman is suing a local congregation ("kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses, roy, utah, an unincorporated association"), individual elders and watchtower ny after, she claims, a judicial committee forced her to listen an audio recording of her own rape.
the trial court summarized the facts as alleged by the plaintiff as follows:.
at the time of the judicial committee, plaintiff was fifteen years old.
I echo Balaamsass2’s (that name always cracks me up) Comments. I’ve known the father for 50 years, newly reacquainted just before Tahoe a few years ago. It’s a gut wrenching story, with the only good thing is they are all out of the WT, and doing well.
I use this story when somebody tries to tell me that this organization isn’t really that bad, or that satan is exaggerating these abuse cases.
watchtower.
the watchtower is a jehovah's witnesses publication, but it’s fitting that it would feature in the watchmen series.
in this episode the watchtower by jehovah's witness is displayed.. "it's interesting to me cause it's an obvious display of cultish type beliefs.
Ahh I was hoping somebody mentioned this.
I'm behind but finally watched the HBO series. I was shocked to see the "Watchtower" featured in the episode.
The funny thing to me that isn't mentioned here is the reference to pandas. The character mentioned the pandas in trying to witness to a guy. Then his girlfriend overhears him and says to him "tell me about the pandas."
To me there was a JW very involved with the writing of this episode. I kid you not but I actually studied with a girl who picked up tract off the ground with the panda on the cover, and she became a JW.
Anyways, I listened to the podcast about the episode and the writers mentioned that the character was a "Jehovah's Witness".
Good series. Now I get it.
will i ever make it to new york?
i feel if i ever did make it to new york i would never want to leave again.
what do i know about new york?
Hi slim - I keep forgetting to let you know I am listening to "The Power Broker" on audible since your post. I'm always looking for interesting books to listen to while I work. I am so weary of political and murder podcasts at the moment, LOL.
I am a fan of Lewis Mumford and it was interesting to read he was a critic of Moses. He has a very eloquent way of describing architecture.
As far as NYC, it is an amazing city. And what a history. I was there when I was barely 3 for the international in '58, and I have only a slight memory of things...mainly the elevator where we stayed. I've been back many times since. One of the most memorable was in 1982, staying at the Standish in Brooklyn. It was such a fun time with my buddies who were at Bethel. One night we ate at the Rainbow room, went to a Broadway play, had drinks on top of the WTC and danced to jazz group, then watched the sun come up on top of the roof of the Towers building. I actually ran into Fred Franz in the elevator of the Standish, couldn't miss those brown shoes and piercing blue eyes.
I hope you get to go some day.
i used to have some close friends simply pay me a friendly visit or call to see how i was doing.. i am curious as to whether or not the society instructed witnesses to no longer check on inactive ones and treat them as marked or disfellowshipped..
I left 19 years ago, not df’d. Absolutely shunned, with exception to some news they still contact me, usually a death. I haven’t talk to my elder brother for 4-5 years and he has visited relatives and friends in my area. Oddly, he emailed and called me on my birthday last weekend.
The rule is to punish us for leaving the faith and shunning is their method. Whatever.🥱
you will be resurrected.
but if you live one more day when armageddon starts you will die a horrible death with no chance of a resurrection.
makes sense to me!.
One of the things that made me leave. A loving god would destroy the whole wicked world when the numbers were 1/2/3/4 etc billion! Not 9 billion!
A loving god wouldn't wait until 1844/1879/1914/1975 (insert your favorite number) to tell the wicked world they are all going to die unless they listen to the prophet of the moment.
Faith is the only thing that keeps anybody in any religion. It has nothing to do with common sense or logic.
it was announced at the meeting.
do what you are able to because of covid.. i think i should sign up as i’m able to meet the hour requirements.
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^^^^ This.
The WT has been putting out phony numbers for decades. Now with the new pandemic arrangement, they don't need to police the report numbers via a congregation secretary. The pioneer numbers and FS hours for all will increase.
And the increase will all be from Jehovah's blessing from an international pandemic. "Praise Jah!! and thanks for COVID19!"
They have to make these numbers up because there will be those that will fade, and there won't be real growth. They have to keep the ruse up for the faithful that need this religion. The ones that don't will leave.
It's really quite perfect...just like sitting by a cart where nobody talks to you is "disciple making."
sometimes i forget how small-minded, petty, provincial, mean-spirited ignorant and judgemental it was and still is.... then i sit down with a jw relative, hoping to have a normal conversation and realize there is literally nothing to talk about.. nothing..... current events?
hobbies?
your job?
“Current events? -Nope. Hobbies? -Nope. Your job? -Nope. Their job? -Nope. Travel? -Nope. Financial planning/strategies? -Nope. Education? -Nope. Art? -Nope. Literature? -Nope. Entertainment? -Nope. Maybe a good book you've read? -Nope.”
I so agree. I used to get a little sad, missing my old friends and JW family. But then I remember the agita of having to check the conversation because their lives and their conversation is totally only WT related. Nothing else. I just talked with JW who shared with me their business was on the news. I told them I was so excited because I was in the process of buying a little place in the desert for retirement. Crickets.
I keep falling for the expectation of a normal conversation, and every time I’m reminded that I’ve changed and I longer in that space.
https://youtu.be/p7jx8sbghck .
Oh dear, how delusional. Same message they’ve had from the get go, but sheesh...you forget how creepy it is!
hello, i am in the beginning stages of a slow fade.
over the years i have become more and more dissatisfied with the beliefs, teachings, and organizational practices of the organization.
i no longer have faith in it.
Welcome Huxley! Glad you found us.
I was in the audience at Dodger Stadium when Freddie Franz yelled into the microphone "this old world will not survive the end of this century!" And by george, I believed him 100%. As a JW you only look for and only see the bad going on. You are taught to hook onto it so you can offer a pet lion on a paradise earth to worldly people. And boy did I. And I was successful in converting 4 people to the faith.
One of the major factors of my leaving was a series that was played on PBS in 1999-2000, about apocalyptic religions. It traced many groups through the centuries predicting 1000, 1500, 1844, 1879 etc etc. as THE year of god's great war with satan and "their" faithful as the only worthy survivors. I had no idea. I was raised a JW, and I thought only they had the inside scoop on this whole business. Turns out JW's were just one of many groups that interpreted scripture to their own agenda, each with their unique argument as to why their calculations were the only correct ones.
As read and gather more information outside the JW box, you will gain more confidence in your decision.
Wishing you peace of mind and comfort for the journey.
just an odd thought i guess.
i saw a large snake in the back of my house the other day and it went on its merry way.
i just asked myself, what if the snake turned around and wanted to have a philosophical discussion on life, the universe or the origin of creation and then began to ask me questions?
One of the best lines I ever heard was from this board. It went something like this.
When some JW is trying to make some point using the WT's phrasing and says:
"It's logical to assume..."
Answer: "Some think a talking snake is logical."
I love using this.
