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  Pioneer Hours

  by Etude in

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  does anyone know how many hours were required to be a pioneer back in or around 1970?.

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  Dagney

  I was told the hours for full time in the 30's-40's was 150, although not called pioneers back then I think. Also "vacation pioneers" were for a 2 month minimum at 150 each month. My brother and sister were baptized kids then, and participated. They went out alone at 7 and 9 living in DTLA.
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  Watchtower Campus

  by Gorb in

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  information about the new watchtower campus, ready in 2027.. https://www.brplusa.com/projects/watchtower-bible-tract-society-new-headquarters-campus-development.

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  Dagney

  LOL. Campus. What a joke. It's called that for every government subsidy they can get. They have a shrewed and avaricious executive team.

  I can't wait for the day they have to surrender this to pay the victims for the WT sins. I'm always hoping.

  I really really hate this religion.
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  Disaster preparedness

  by ElderBerry in

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  as your family considers its disaster preparedness plan, please ensure that the secretary has up-to-date contact information for you and your emergency contact.

  also, we have re- peatedly seen good results when brothers and sisters are prepared with go bags and are ready to obey direction when they face various kinds of disasters.

  please be sure you have a go bag, and review its contents at least once a year.

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  Dagney

  I haven't paid much attention to the preparedness discussion from JW. Of course it's good to be prepared. I live in earthquake country so I'm kinda sorta there.

  I get their spin ("where's Kevin?), is for the world turning on them...do they still call it the Great Tribulation? I was RAISED with that verbiage, every.single.day. of my childhood. I hated cooked carrots and my mom said to me "what if that is all you had to eat while you're in prison during The Great Tribulation!!! TM"

  Annnnd I didn't pay that much attention to a former JW BFF talking about a new business they started which is preparedness training. I heard later about flyers and FB page or website or something. NOW it makes sense. Duh. They must see the opportunity to "help" their fellow brothers based on the direction from HQ. Interesting.
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  Disaster preparedness

  by ElderBerry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as your family considers its disaster preparedness plan, please ensure that the secretary has up-to-date contact information for you and your emergency contact.

  also, we have re- peatedly seen good results when brothers and sisters are prepared with go bags and are ready to obey direction when they face various kinds of disasters.

  please be sure you have a go bag, and review its contents at least once a year.

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  Dagney

  ^^thats interesting. One of my relatives told me they went in with 4-5 bros and bought an RV. I didn’t think a thing about it, just told him I thought it would be a fun thing to have. He sent a pic of the group partying in the RV. Now I’m thinking the intention may be for this disaster thing.
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  New ministry, you don’t give a witness

  by Mikejw in

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  there are assignments on the life and ministry school now where they are suggested to just talk to people without giving a witness.. they are supposed to practice starting conversations with strangers and listening to them to talk about whatever they want to talk about .

  there is an assignment this week where the conversation ends without giving a witness.

  jws don’t look like jws anymore and now they don’t actually preach.. you could get bearded men with sweaters or other such tops and women in pants or slacks coming upto you in the park or on the street and starting a conversation with you.. then you hear them listening to you and talking about whatever they think that you wanted to talk about .

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  Dagney

  There are assignments on the life and ministry school now where they are suggested to just talk to people without giving a witness.

  It is true, JW's don't know how to just converse with a non-believer, to be just a real person. Can you imagine they have to learn this! But it's true. After decades of indoctrination of "them and us", be separate, they are now being taught the opposite.

  I agree with the whole social thing. I was with a JW relative and their friend, along with my non JW relatives last week. It was really weird. The friend, used to be BFF, talked to me for 1 1/2 hrs afterward and basically caught me up on all the travel and interesting things they are doing in the social "club."

  It keeps them in. And that's what the corporation needs.
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  What's the Worst Advice You Heard of an Elder Giving Someone?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  i believe an an elder told someone who's daughter (14 yo) became sexually active with a 26 year old in the neighborhood, that maybe they should get married.

  so, they did... with parental consent.

  he turned out to be a ex-convict who shot his first wife in the face with a shotgun.

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  Dagney

  Boy where do I begin.

  I guess the ones I remember most are the many times husbands were unfaithful to the wives, and the wives were pressured to "forgive and forget." Could be the other way around, of course. They were looked down upon if they proceeded with divorce. They were miserable and it never ended well. It was pretty sad.

  The other was an elder body coerced a friend to sell the family home that he inherited from his mother. His siblings didn't think it was fair he had the house even though he lived and took care of her through her last very ill days. So the siblings went to elders and complained. What a mess and he is still so upset over it many years later.

  I don't think the elders would be so involved these days...tho I could be wrong. They were so intrusive.
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

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  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  Dagney

  Of course they have a plan. Every business does if they want to remain in business, which includes adapting to changes that support the longevity of the corporation.
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  The org. Came out with a Christmas song!!!!

  by nowwhat? in

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  holy nativity batman!

  on jw broadcasting.

  final song for this year's convention.

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  Dagney

  They keep trying out the Jesus thing...Great Teacher etc. It's been decades of indoctrination that Jehober is your "guy." Except for prayers ending "in Jesus name," (after repeating Jah's name at least 5 times during the prayer), and his party once a year for "remembrance", there is really no relationship with Jesus. They aren't supposed to...only the select few are so privileged.

  It's still "Jehovah this and Jehovah that." This will be a hard ship to turn. Maybe the young will get the fever, but WT will need to work on their language.
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  Things you can not say in "field service" anymore.

  by greenhornet in

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  many years ago we would be on someone's doorstep, when waiting for the house holder to come to the door we say something like ... yea after the big a this is going to be my house.

  imagine saying that today with the common use of doorbell cameras and the squatting problem .

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  Dagney

  Ding - exactly. If you ever remember the talks about the widows mite being enough then in the closing “are you really giving/doing enough? Can you honestly say to Jehober you can’t give any more?” Constant double speak. Jehovah loves you, you’re special, and you are one heartbeat away from destruction.

  LHG - same. The FS change was surprising when I heard it, but when I think about their motives as a business/corpoation, it makes perfect sense to not show the decline in hours for all to see. Everything was a measure in the past and where individuals lined up in the measure is how they were judged. We always talked about how unchristian that was. 🤦🏼‍♀️
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  Things you can not say in "field service" anymore.

  by greenhornet in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  many years ago we would be on someone's doorstep, when waiting for the house holder to come to the door we say something like ... yea after the big a this is going to be my house.

  imagine saying that today with the common use of doorbell cameras and the squatting problem .

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  Dagney

  I mentioned how lovely, etc. and the sister said: “they are having their reward in full”.

  Oh yes, how entitled they feel they are. Sickens me. Our territory was a mix of very modest dwellings and some of the most expensive on canals by the ocean. I remember similar statements said while in the FS work in Naples. So judgemental and superior.

  Waves to LHG...so good to see you here after all these years.