Posts by Dagney

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The real dividing line isn’t between apostates and apologists it’s between...

by slimboyfat in

excellent observation from zizek about communist regimes: they didn’t care if people accepted the ideology or took it seriously, so long as people acted as if the ideology was true, that was the important thing.

in fact the regimes were deeply suspicious people who took the ideology too seriously.

people who took the ideology seriously were dangerous because they were prone to noticing the inconsistencies and flaws in the system.

Dagney

OP is spot on Slim, and so well written.

This:

They don’t care about 1914 or the divine name or whatever else. They think the anointed 144,000/generation/partakers issues are a problem, but they figure that it will sort itself out in the end.

The days of defending the "truth" are over for the R & F JW. They see inconsistencies but are thrilled to point all to jw.org and not have to ever explain a damn thing ever again. (2,520 year explanation comes to mind...) They just want to go to the hall, socialize with friends, travel and count time/pioneer by standing next to a cart.

For those that have done extensive research and have maintained their JW belief system, I would say it's just a matter of faith. They choose to believe. Theologians have been debating the same word/issues for years and are wise enough to offer up a theory, because absolutes in history cannot truly be proven. Faith is what you need to follow a religion and its ever changing dogma.

Thanks for posting Slim!

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JWs reach new milestone - JW.org reaches 1,000 languages

by Wonderment in

below is the copied page found in jw.org from nov. 4, 2019:.

the governing body is pleased to announce that a new milestone has been reached in our efforts to make disciples of people of all the nations.

jw.org now has articles, videos, and audio content available in 1,000 languages, including 100 sign languages..

Dagney

They are trying hard to keep the faithful believing this "life saving" work is relevant. It's like their "wow we are so special we now translate into 1,000 languages" fact as they stand idly by their literature trolley.

Busy work with little results, thankfully.

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Mark Stephen Lett Raps about Murmuring and Other Urgent Jehovah's Witness Issues

by BottleGate_ in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r1-vnsbp7c.

Dagney

That was HILARIOUS! Thanks for posting.

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Did You Ever Get Hit On By An Elder?

by minimus in

jw
friends

the organization stresses to elders to be careful with members of the opposite sex.

never be alone with a sister whether it be in field service or paying a visit by means of a shepherding call.

do you know of any elders that flirted or were overly “touchy” with females?

Dagney

Oh yes.

One turned into a relationship, I was still in high school and he was married, 13 years my senior. I came to grips with the affect on me during the 90's when there was focus on these issues via the media, talk shows, Anita Hill etc. I pushed it way down for years, but i realize afterward it profoundly affected me and my relationships.

At one point I said we needed to talk to the brothers, and he agreed but we never did. I told several people including an elder friend many cities away. That was during the time when you could sort of self counsel. He told me to move on if I wasn't in love or seeking a relationship, which I wasn't. So I moved on.

I don't think it's unusual.

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How Does It Make You Feel Kids?

by neat blue dog in

a recent printable kids activity asks kids to describe their feelings when marketing various jwdotorg products:.

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meanwhile, here's a recent public post from harvest inn's social media profile:.

Dagney

Written exactly by people who don't have kids and don't have a clue how to talk to them. IMHO

That would be torture IMO to go through that questioning.

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Did You Think Jehovah’s Witnesses Were Typically “Racists”?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i was a jw from infancy.

we had a melting pot type of congregation.

i grew up with all types of witnesses , all with different backgrounds.

Dagney

Interesting thread. Growing up in Southern California in the 60's, everywhere including the KH was racially diverse. So I don't know anything different. Hispanics, Japanese, black, white made up grade school through high school and the congregation. As a kid we were all friends. It would be interesting to know if there was any racism felt.

I loved the fact as I would run into the older sisters at conventions as a 50+ year old, they would pull me to their chest and still call me "baby girl." But who knows what they and their husbands and kids went through with others at the hall...

I wish I could still talk to some of them, but being "out" makes it too complicated.

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Take a Moment and Think About How Awesome You Are

by Simon in

jw
friends

it's easy to get bogged down with life and think you're not getting ahead or progressing.

but regardless of where we think things may be going, pretty much everyone who's come through this site is an achiever who's done an amazing thing in one way or another even if they may not think about it.. so think about it!.

you got past and over your programming and indoctrination.

Dagney

Simon, I love your post.

We all do need to remember how hard and courageous it was to leave when we feel how stupid for staying in for so long, and of course, I am speaking to myself. I still beat myself up at times, especially when I am asked to tell my story.

Thank you Simon for the reminder.

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New building

by asp59 in

you think the new building addition to warwick ,that will house 1000 audiovisual and art production volunteers is a push to go online with the meetings?

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Dagney

I think it might be a deliberate designed distraction for the faithful in case they start hearing some unsavory press regarding the pedophile coverups. Emphasis on their seemingly relevant construction work could be meant as “exciting theocratic news” to divert attention from bad the bad news. Just a thought that popped up in my brain.

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The Great Tribulation must be at least 3 years away

by BourneIdentity in

since they’ve announced the dates for the next 3 memorials, no talk about this “may be our last one!”.

since they’ve announced the patterson construction project will take 3 years to complete.

let’s also not forget when they designed warwick, they spent money on expensive energy saving technology to save millions in the long run, years and decades in the future.

Dagney

I was wondering what was going on at Patterson. I just attended a memorial, and several couples said they put in their applications for Patterson. Ugh. Again, a perceived relevance that their efforts are important. Sigh.

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Need help in finding some information regarding the Adam and Eve tale.

by Tameria2001 in

i am finally at the point in my life i no longer believe in the tales of the bible.

my husband feels for the most part that it too is stuff made up.

there are just a few things that he wants to get cleared up, and one of those being the story of adam and eve.

Dagney

(I miss Leo.) Her topic referenced by Blondie occurred just about the time I dared to read this site. Her documentation had a profound effect on me.

I always had a problem with "the paradise" story. Did anyone else choke when you had to actually say "talking snake" out loud to someone?

I remember one discussion early on between a bible believer and another poster. I think the debate was about creation, and the believer was mocking evolution, something they knew nothing about, just spouting the WT verbiage. "How can you BELIEVE we came from nothing" sort of talk. The the poster said, "some people believe a talking snake is credible." Mike drop.