Posts by Dagney

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SDAs Campaigning in my Area

by NotFormer in

not even as active as the jws (whom i have not seen for around a year now), nevertheless i get an occasional leaflet or other publication in my letterbox that seems to be seventh day adventist in origin.. the booklet i received the other day was entitled "national sunday law".

i also had received this book years ago when i had some dealings with the sdas.. from reddit: "national sunday law involves a conspiracy theory which alleges that the united states government is on the verge of enacting a national blue law that would make sunday a day of rest and worship.

the theory depends on the idea that the pope is the antichrist and the mark of the beast is worshipped on sunday.

Dagney

I came upon an SDA table with literature. I picked some up and browsed thru some of it. OMG!!! I was so weird, cause was SOOOOO much like JW literature. Gloom and Doom, petting pandas in Paradise ala Live Forever Book....... that I was really taken aback. What, do these cults all share the same Art Department?

^^When I left JW, I took the time to look at the different preachers on TV, and listened for a time to Xtian radio, just to get a feel for what people were listening to. I was really surprised how much it sounded all the same...gloom and doom just with a few words changed. The scriptures read were the same and used for the same purpose.

My father's family were SDA. I wish now I had asked more questions. One of his siblings stayed SDA, became an MD at Loma Linda. From recent Ancestry dot com information, his family still has the SDA links, their names associated with colleges etc. My parents became JW's in the late 30's, and witnessed in downtown LA among all the religious fervor that was happening there... Christian Science, Angelus Temple with Amy Semple McPherson, that other guy that put out a monthly magazine much like the Wat/Awake.

It's alllll the same save for a few different word changes.

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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?

by Sea Breeze in

i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.

she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.

no one even remembered her.

Dagney

It is a system that produces elders who are rigid, inflexible, and woefully unprepared for a role of providing spiritual guidance and moral support. It should be no surprise that many of them let it get to their heads, as it is the first --and possibly only-- position of authority that they have. They are utterly unqualified for the most important task that they will be asked to perform. It's recipe for disaster.

Hi TonusOH - this was 100% the situation here. Newly appointed elder, custodian in the school district (nothing wrong with that), on an elder body with educated/USC grad/HS teacher/executives. This guy corrected someone when they said "podium" instead of "speaker stand". I don't have time ATM to write this crazy story, but in the end, years later, this guy turned out to be flaming alcoholic, and I think I even heard he had to apologize from the platform.

In this situation, my roommate's elder father told us the no winning with elders, guided us on how to handle the situation. He told us to inquire if it was a committee meeting, (it wasn't), and to change the venue and time for the discussion to what we wanted. We ended up in control of the discussion and correcting new guy of his false accusations. We were both managers and used to dealing with all kinds of people situations, and this new inexperienced guy thought he could trick us with his stupid questions. The other elder was so embarrassed, he said, "let's wrap this up" and read us an encouraging scripture and commended us on something. He was the educated high school teacher elder.

It was a lesson I never forgot.

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Ex-JW leaves because of these comics

by blondie in

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very interesting experience detailing why this person left jws , rest of comics on here.

https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/life-teenage-jehovah-witness-told-075959759.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=ahr0chm6ly93d3cuz29vz2xllmnvbs8&guce_referrer_sig=aqaaac7equlx0zq7ght-721p28fss8uf-gcgd-uqznoo-dj1coxyxvugwf8wu2cvqllgn5h8isrlumcdysycy72pwmaemtjt69ucojpj-bxld--gnfm2y_jxrxdt0pwx_viz0gtife94b-b0yj-w23nnp1qybsemu7gktpvvbsax5kxh.

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Dagney

Very good.

Thank you Blondie.

(I can sure relate the part about the mother. I was happy and free but it was so painful to see her go through the sadness and fear trying to "save me." One of the main reasons I hate this religion...all the needless pain.)

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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?

by Sea Breeze in

i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.

she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.

no one even remembered her.

Dagney

I was pretty shocked years ago when a friend was DF'd for "disobeying counsel." They can DF for anything. As one elder told me "you win no battles with elders."

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What does the Catholic church think of JW?

by Halcon in

on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

Dagney

My first Bible study was Catholic and her mother was furious. She had to carry her literature with her out of the house every day or her mother would destroy the colorful books. Mom felt she would go to hell and was literally scared about that. In fact later, after my student became a JW, she was worried mom would take her kids to be baptized catholic.

Seems that they are tolerant unless a family member converted to JW.

Sounds familiar doesn’t it.

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God’s wisdom in allowing bearded JWs July 25 Watchtower

by Listener in

the july 2025 watchtower has a paragraph that claims that it was the superior power and wisdom of jehovah that guided the gb into allowing jws to grow beards.. the study article is ‘can you still learn from basic bible teachings?’ under the subheading ‘jehovah is the creator’ paragraph 7 states-.

“ 7. what did rahela do to accept a change in direction?.

your answer.

Dagney

Seriously, that paragraph 7 in a "Bible study" (rolls eyes) article sounds like a joke. How the faithful can take them seriously for anything is beyond me.

Make me wonder who would actually raise their hand to read that answer from the paragraph...lol.

Side note. A picture was posted of a family dinner last week Out of seven men at the table the only one with a beard was my JW relative. I hadn't though about that until this thread.

This superior wisdom and power of this creator must be the same guy that awards touchdowns and home runs along with deadly crashes and warfare.

Got it.

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Witnesses still get in sex trouble in the congregation even bethel

by Witness 007 in

so i asked a aussie bethelite if the wife swap rumor was true about 2 bethel couples on holidays and he said yes!!

we had pioneers having sex on there weekend time.

i had a brother who was having sex with his best friend witness wife are we any different to other people.there is alot of disfellowshiping for this.. on the side note i had one of the sweetest sisters who at work was in charge of finances and had stolen thousands of dollars and was arrested..

Dagney

Yes, they DO call police for people stealing money, but not calling police for pedophiles. Doesn’t a thief also “bring reproach on Jehovah’s name”? 🤷‍♀️

Excellent simple argument/no argument. I love a 1-2 liner that lands an irrefutable message. I'm going to remember this one.

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Memorial attendance

by Balaamsass2 in

curious.

what was your local memorial attendance like tonight?

Dagney

I wouldn’t trust the accuracy of any numbers the WBTS reports for anything. They can add zoom attendees to make up what ever number they need to keep the faithful mildly impressed.

Cognitive dissonance to see dwindling meeting attendance, combined circuits and congregations, thousands of empty seats in previously well attended conventions and still believe any reported growth.

i didn’t receive any invites this year, I think it’s a first. Less stress for me lol.

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Trump Tariffs started today, Some Countries Caved in early morning.

by liam in

usa politicians in charge of the economy for the past 50 years were too stupid to understand how the economy works.

this just proves my theory, that an education on the top tier universities just sucks and means nothing in the real world, unless its in the stem education.

for 50 years usa had zero tariffs on other countries.

Dagney

It's sickening to me to watch and hear him congratulate the cronies in his office that made millions from the insider trading in the downturn.

He doesn't think at all about the millions lost to the millions of regular folks and small businesses. The money in my portfolio means nothing to him, but it is everything to me.

Manipulation at its finest. Only care about the people that can give him something back for his generosity to the wealthy.

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Trump Tariffs started today, Some Countries Caved in early morning.

by liam in

usa politicians in charge of the economy for the past 50 years were too stupid to understand how the economy works.

this just proves my theory, that an education on the top tier universities just sucks and means nothing in the real world, unless its in the stem education.

for 50 years usa had zero tariffs on other countries.

Dagney

I am looking at broker invoices just received from our NJ office. Containers that typically land at $3K-4K are now landing at $14K per container.

Trade agreements should be reviewed and renegotiated regularly, of course. The people feeling the hurt from all this chaos are the businesses scrambling and the consumers. I have a feeling the chaos will settle somewhere in between. But the method is so difficult for the average to small business. But who cares about them right!

I will be out of here very soon. I also have been in auto parts for decades...and it's been a good industry to be part of, very recession proof. We had Brazilian suppliers in last week that will pick up some of the manufacturing, less tariff and landing costs. So it goes.