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  Why do you believe the bible? or not?

  by AiAi in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i began questioning the religion i used the bible and their own statements to prove them wrong.

  now, recently, i have began to realise that maybe the only reason i put any faith in the bible is because i was always raised to.. so my question is, after leaving the watchtower, what was it that made you decide the bible was worthy of belief?.

  i am not asking about any continuing belief in god or disbelief, i am more conscerned about the first step (to me) right now of the bible itself.

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  Why do you believe the bible? or not?

  by AiAi in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i began questioning the religion i used the bible and their own statements to prove them wrong.

  now, recently, i have began to realise that maybe the only reason i put any faith in the bible is because i was always raised to.. so my question is, after leaving the watchtower, what was it that made you decide the bible was worthy of belief?.

  i am not asking about any continuing belief in god or disbelief, i am more conscerned about the first step (to me) right now of the bible itself.

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  Zechariaha Sitchin says Exodus 19: 16-19 is a space ship from Nibiru, which goes along with the Sumerian text

  and the Epic of Gilgamesh. You think its a volcano?
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  Do Ex-JWs have reason to be disgruntled?

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everytime i have ever told an active jw about this forum and described it's designation they all, in essence, say the same thing.. they say that we are nitpickers, that we are all just rubbed the wrong way and can't get out of the state of disgruntlement that we have allowed ourselves to enter.

  some throw in supernatural elements some just stick to human imperfection and call it murmurings.. these kind of assertions highly imply that our anger is exaggerated or misguided; that we don't have all facts and are drawing highly speculative conclusions.. as participants on this forum how do you refute such a claim?.

  my first thought would be to point out that "murmurings" is what created the watchtower to start with.

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  I agree with everything Ziddina said, I could have written that myself.
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  Do you still know your bible?

  by Newborn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i used to pioneer and all that and new the bible well and could cite scriptures backwards and forwards...(i regret i didn't have any other skills to brag abt).

  today i hardly recall any scriptures...(except for matt 24:14 that may never go away though ).

  since i left i haven't opened a bible ones.

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  I've been out of the tower since 83. I have read the bible cover to cover 7 times since leaving the tower.

  I had never read it cover to cover in the 31 years I was a Jw. I still read the bible regularly.

  I read Eccleiastes every couple of months and Psalms and Proverbs often.

  I think I could find any book without looking in the index.

  The bible is one way to make sense of this life. And it has good advice in Proverbs.

  Thats the bible not the JW way of twisting the bible.

  For me the bible is good if you keep it simple, if you try to get all complicated and try to figure

  out when the world is going to end and try to use the bible to controll others it doesn't work.
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  Who or What Helped YOU Get Out Of The Watchtower Mindset?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  was there a person, a book, a situation that helped you see that the "truth" was not what it was supposed to be?

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  January 1, 1976. When that date came I started figuring out how to escape.
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  The Power of Prayer......Do you believe in it?

  by confuzzled777 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my sil has been fighting stage iv leiomyosarcoma (which in incurable) for over 2 years now.

  there have been quite a few ups and downs in her treatments and her prognosis along with way.

  she is a full time pioneer and has been since shortly after her diagnosis.

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  If prayer worked all the time, there would be no drama, no mystery, we couldnt have or be saved by faith.

  We would be bored out of our gourds.

  Where we came from in heaven, with God, part of God, as spirts, thats how it was and we were so bored

  we decided to come down here but when we got on the ride we had to give up memory of who we are and

  where we are from.

  Its the greatest show on earth.
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  The Power of Prayer......Do you believe in it?

  by confuzzled777 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my sil has been fighting stage iv leiomyosarcoma (which in incurable) for over 2 years now.

  there have been quite a few ups and downs in her treatments and her prognosis along with way.

  she is a full time pioneer and has been since shortly after her diagnosis.

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  I've prayed all my life. I wish I could say it was more effective than 50%.

  But for me it seems 50% effective. A placebo can be 50 to 60% effective especially in psychosymatic issues

  pain, depression, some heart ailments, ulcers.

  It's kind of like nuerolinguistic prograiming without having to pay or listen to Tony Robbins.

  I work in a jail and a lot of the officers tell me they pray. We even pray as a group after muster before entering

  the cell blocks. 50% effectiveness seems better than 5 or 10% effectiveness.

  A lot of life coaches, popular gurus, write and teach "You will see it when you believe it"

  You have to hold a thought so you can become

  a heat seeking missle to strike your target. You have to tell the universe what you want to get it.

  Prayer can help you focus and hold a thought, pray for what you want every day.

  There are other ways to get what you want without praying, but still similar to prayer.

  Make a list of what you want, and first thing everyday read it.

  If you have psychoschamatic issues, you could self hypnotize yourself and plant positve affirmations in

  your brain at your alpha brain level.

  If there is no God at the very least your speaking to your higher self whey you pray, and hopefully

  you are smart enough to pray to God but tie up your camel, or realize that God helps those who

  help themselves.

  The way I see it you can get 50% of everything you want by praying.

  You can get 50% of what you want by using pop psychology.

  But there are a lot of people in this world and country that are only getting 10, 20% of what they want.

  Because they are not holding the thought of what they want. Prayer can be one way of holding the thought.
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  Box Tops for Brooklyn!

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was looking at the moyle court case transcript, and noticed that some of the.

  watchtower publications were included in the record.. one item from something that was like a "kingdom ministry" that caught my .

  attention was a notice about box tops!.

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  I remember my mother putting Eagle and S&H Saving stamps in the contribution box back in the 50's.
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  No More Life Story

  by Farkel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for reasons i've stated in the window washers thread, i will not write and post any more about my life as a jw.. thank you, "yesidid.

  " you're a real gem.. farkel.

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  Sorry to hear your not going to finish the story. I read part 1 and have been waiting. Hope you change your mind.
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  Who Is The WORST Politician That You Can Recall?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  past or present.

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  Both Bush's Dumb and Dumber and their side kick Chaney.