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  Disfellowshipping for Gluttony?

  by Smoky in

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  is that possible?..have there been any cases like this?.

  my family have been on my case about me hanging around with people (non-jw family) that like to drink alot.

  they went as far as to call me "a drunk"...now i do admit that i have been gotten drunk before on occasion, but i am not a drunk or an alcoholic.. so, i told my mother (obese) that if i were "a drunk" for getting drunk from time to time (not every day), then can she be considered "a glutton", for eating to much, obese, having health problems, all because of the way she eats?

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  I was at the district assembly in the UK (Sunday, Twickenham London) this year and the bloke on the platform said you could be DF for gluttony. He specifically mentioned overwieght people. My brother had to nudge me as I was audibly muttering how much of a pile of shite that is. Reasons:

  1) How many overweight elders are there? - 30% at least

  2) How many overweight witnesses are there? - a lot

  3) How many of these are due to gluttony?- Not many

  4) How cruel would it be to DF anyone for being overweight? - too cruel for words.

  I cannot understand what the society have to gain by such a standpoint. I got really angry at that one. More so than usual.
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  It's Friday, It's Friday, It's Friday!

  by Jerohobobonadad in

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  hello all, hope you are well.. it is friday!

  my two friends (a couple who are living in sin, would you believe it?

  ) are coming to stay.

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  Jerohobobonadad

  Good luck with the exan littletoe.

  Enjoy the sandwhich moomin.
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  It's Friday, It's Friday, It's Friday!

  by Jerohobobonadad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all, hope you are well.. it is friday!

  my two friends (a couple who are living in sin, would you believe it?

  ) are coming to stay.

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  Jerohobobonadad

  Hello all, hope you are well.

  It is Friday! My two friends (a couple who are living in sin, would you believe it?) are coming to stay. We are off out into town - it's going to be great!

  What's everyone else up to?

  Jerohobo
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  Masturbation is a Gift From Jehovah (Stupid Awake 11/06)

  by metatron in

  1. jw
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  does that title sound blasphemous?

  well, i'm sorry if it does - but who ever imagines what the world would be like if sexual urges .

  could not be satisfied by oneself?

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  Jerohobobonadad

  A man much wiser than me once said:

  "You show me a man who says he doesn't masturbate and I'll show you a liar."
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  Your opinion: Are those raised as Witnesses more likely to end up godless?

  by under_believer in

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  2. friends

  was thinking about this the other day and wanted to get your (yes: your) opinion.

  i find myself slipping farther and farther down the agnostic scale in my thinking--it's possible that i'll end up an atheist.

  my suspicion is that because i was raised being taught that all other religions are false, that i came to the conclusion that if the witnesses don't have "the truth" then nobody does.

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  Jerohobobonadad

  Good question.

  My case, I was born and raised JW. I am now agnostic leaning (to a greater degree as time goes by) atheist. I am totally a-religious. I , personally, cannot see the appeal that religion can have when the facts are looked at.
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  Just thought I'd share this with you.

  by Jerohobobonadad in

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  i was just browsing the excellent jwfacts.com site and it just clicked....jw is bloody cult!

  it can't be anything else!.

  as some may know i've only been around on here a month or so.

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  When I realized how much time I wasted - 21 years and putting my kids through hell - I cried and cried. The guilt led me to the point of suicide. And then I got help. I've had many talks w/my kids who told me, "Mom. We know you did what you thought was best." That made me feel a little better and I love them to pieces for being so forgiving. But to this day, I still have a hard time forgiving myself and wasting so much precious time when they were growing up w/o enjoying holidays and putting up w/crap from other kids and teachers, and not having worldly friends.

  That is why I spend a lot of my time with them and their families (my grandkids). I feel "alive" once again and now enjoying life, peaceful times and self-worth. All of that was taken away before from this religion. It's something that I have to continually remind myself that we will be o.k. We will survive.

  I accept that I've been very, very lucky (single, no kids, still young, always did pretty much what I wanted anyway) and many, many, many others have not been so lucky and did not laugh or find it funny when they realised that they had been duped. I do not mean to downplay anyone elses experiences related to this. I am pleased for you about your children. In a similar way, I do not feel any differently about my parents - i was not allowed to do a lot of the things "normal" kids did (sports, going to kids houses etc), but I know my mum and dad had my bests interests at heart. Better that than to not take any interest at all. I just hope they will be reasonable when I finally "come out" as an unbeliever. Dad will probably be ok. Mum will be heartbroken. I wonder how my friends will react? My grandparents? I wonder if I'll find it funny in the months ahead?

  It is a strange feeling to discover that everything you had been brought up to believe as infallable "truth" is, in fact all wrong.
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  Just thought I'd share this with you.

  by Jerohobobonadad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just browsing the excellent jwfacts.com site and it just clicked....jw is bloody cult!

  it can't be anything else!.

  as some may know i've only been around on here a month or so.

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  I was just browsing the excellent JWfacts.com site and it just clicked....JW is bloody cult! It can't be anything else!

  As some may know I've only been around on here a month or so. Although I haven't believed for some time, I always thought that calling JWs a cult was a bit harsh. Reading the excellent research on the jwfacts site just now, I suddenly smiled and it dawned on me - JW is definately a cult!

  I've spent the first third of my life in a cult! I'm laughing - I think it's hilarious!

  Here's to the next two thirds of living. Cheers!
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  The Great Taboo Discussion---Suicides among former Jehovah's Witnesses

  by The wanderer in

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  <!-- .style1 {font-family: arial, sans-serif} .style2 {color: #ff0000} .style3 {color: #000000} .style4 {font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; } --> the great taboo discussionsuicides among former jehovah's witnesses to write about this discussion neither appeals to me nor does it make me feel comfortable to discuss it.. however, it is necessary to consider in light of all the trauma, negative experiences, and personal traged-.

  ies that have happened to individuals on this board.

  (what inspired me to write this subject was a bone chilling account .

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  A sad subject, but one I have pondered over. I have never considered suicide myself, so this may be a biased view point.

  I knew 4 people - 2 personally quite well. Ages 17, 21, mid-late 30s, early 40s. One was an ex-missionary. One was a pioneer. One was a beautiful, popular young girl.

  The official JW position as I know it is that these ones get no resurection. My, obviously not expert, view is that there must be a mental health element to all suicides. It cannot be a truly rational decision to end one's life. I think this is under-estimated by the org. It must be crushing for a believing witness family to have a suicide within the family and have the belief that God has cut this one off for eternity.

  The following applies if you believe the JW teachings by my reckoning. Mental illness is still an illness. People cannot help and generally do not choose to be depressed, it just happens to some people to varying degrees. Therefore, would a suicide mean no resurrection? If a smoker becomes a witness then finds out they have a cancer caused by smoking and dies, will this one be excluded from a resurection? The smoking definately caused their death, it was just unintentional as opposed to intentional (meaning suicide). The wages sin pays is death. Since were were, according to doctrine, born into sin (so will die) through no personal fault of our own, God made a bargain with the ransom to "buy back" our lives - if you die before the big A you get a resurrection, if you are around at the big A then faith in the ransom gets you through. Dying before the big A fulfils a humans part of the bargain. God would be duty bound to give you a resurrection.

  Does that make sense?
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  Hardships and Assemblies

  by Sunspot in

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  i just left a post on the "pa convention" thread concerning some of the hardships and difficulties that jws had to (or some here still have to?

  ) endure just to either get to a convention or what they go through after getting to the convention.. having to trot around from designated doors to the restrooms (rather than being ordered to use the door they told you to) no matter where your family was sitting..... or having you and your family have to climb way too many stairs on the last upper tier to find seats.....while plenty of empty seats remained on the ground floor that were never used that whole day?.

  or the designated wts-regulation-sized cooler you had to lug into the stadium because you weren't allowed to leave the site to get a snack or a drink?.

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  Hello all I hope you are well.

  No one is going to like me for this....

  I just left a post on the "PA Convention" thread concerning some of the hardships and difficulties that JWs had to (or some here still have to?) endure just to either GET to a convention or what they go through after getting TO the convention.

  Having to trot around from designated doors to the restrooms (rather than being ordered to use the door THEY told you to) no matter where your family was sitting....

  Or having you and your family have to climb way too many stairs on the last upper tier to find seats.....while plenty ofempty seats remained on the ground floor that were never used that whole day?

  Or the designated WTS-regulation-sized cooler you had to lug into the stadium because you weren't allowed to leave the site to get a snack or a drink?

  Or being told that you should not go outside the arena for lunch in order to "please Jehovah the WTS?"

  Or being told which hotel/motel you had to stay at every year?

  These can hardly be described as "hardships". Balsam can say these were hardships, some others with other family/ personal problems can say these were hardships, but for most able bodied humans (which I assume most here are) - 3 or 4 days (ok the week long ones if you were around then) with the relatively minor inconveniences described above are not hardships. I accept that there is a finacial burden on going to assemblies - my family included - but having to climb a few stairs to get a seat is hardly a big deal.

  Turn on the news or visit a cancer ward. You'll see hardship there.
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  What went on in Mexico and Malawi?

  by Jerohobobonadad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all i hope you are well.. forgive my ignorance again, but what happened in mexico/ malawi?

  when did it happen?.

  i keep seeing references to these places in various topics.. anyone got a good link that explains it clearly.

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  The jfiles.com site is excellent.