Posts by FuzzyPaul

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Fam'ly ambush led to reproach brought on JW brand name

by sd-7 in

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in the aftermath of the family intervention ambush, i got a phone call from my great uncle (never been a jw).

he told me he'd heard about my wife reading my e-mail and taking it to the elders (although she didn't actually show them the e-mail, just reported its contents).

apparently, my grandmother told him about it.

FuzzyPaul

The only people promoting the Watchtower religion are themselves and they do so continually. In all the dozens of Catholic Masses I have attended this past year and a half, I have only once heard The Catholic Church extolled as The True Church. Self promotion is not at all common. (I belong to a local Baptist Church but attend Mass weekly.)

Criticisms agaist The Catholic Church or other mainstream Christian religions are doctrinal and minor. There are few "horror stories" of psycho-emotional abuse in any of the traditional Christian Churches. In the Watchtower abuse is systemic AND an integral part of their doctrines.

I am out after 45 years of eating garbage at the table of the Watchtower. I heard at a convention that some had called the "Table of Jehovah polluted" implying their ideas and issue was taken against. The Watchtower does not even offer "Table of Jehovah" fare.

Blessings and regards,

Paul

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Making Up Definitions: Death

by EverAStudent in

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one of the things that has frustrated and bothered me greatly is how the wts has invented their own definitions for koine greek words that already have meanings.

the word death is one of those.. .

throughout the past 2000 years the word death has been widely known and accepted to mean not only that the corporeal body has died, but with regard to spirituality, it has meant that one exists forever knowing they are separated from christ and the father.

FuzzyPaul

I fairly well agree with everastudent. Believe in hellfire is not "pagan". If Jesus knew that hellfire type doctrine was false and pagan, he would have said so. It was a prevailing doctrine on the street. Instead he used the doctrine as a teaching tool in the Story of the Rich Man in Hades. He would not deceive us. The preventive for not being cast into Hades is to obey Moses and the Prophets.

When the Hebrew scholars needed to translate "sheol" into Greek for The Septuagint they chose "Hades" as the best fit, the closet equivalent and that included the mythological baggage. A review of the Greek belief about Hades during the 3 rd century BC is appropriate.

An essay on Hades is attributed to Josephus and identifies belief in Hades as being current Jewish thought. That essay corrects aspect of current Greek thought but maintains the fact of Hades. There is a part of Hades where there is no torment and is where the righteous are taken and treated well.

Hades, the God, NEVER released the dead persons there. That is why the Greek philosophers left off hearing Apostle Paul on Mars Hill during his “Unknown God” speech. Paul claimed that a judgment for all men was guaranteed because those in Hades would be released.

Also, in the Pseudo-Clementia (at CCEL.org) doctrines can be ascertained from his account of being taught by Apostle Peter. He speaks of Enoch and the Book of Enoch is known to have been in use by First Century Jews and Christians.

Jude refers to Prophets more ancient than his day then quotes The Book of Enoch. Prophecy is One of the Signs proving Inspiration.

The Book of Enoch was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Book of Enoch details Hell.

It is common for scholars to reject Enoch but their logic is faulty.

http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/enoch.htm

Grace to you,

Paul

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YAHWEH is BAAL

by sinis in

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very interesting article.. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=42815

FuzzyPaul

That is the point of it. Have faith that Jesus paid the penalty for all of our sins even if we find it absurd, void of logic or repulsive. Sin is that bad, it separates us from God. No more guilt, we sinned, Jesus took our punishment, we are forgiven just for asking.

Sorry for a late addition to this thread,

Paul

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Something big is going on at the Vatican

by Weeping in

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came across this article this morning.

i'm sorry if you think i keep harping on this, but this is scary.

devil worship is absolutely mainstream now.. .

FuzzyPaul

WHAT GOD BLESSES NOTHING CAN CURSE.

The Catholic Church is the leader of Hundreds of Millions to One Billion Christians on Earth. One may not agree with its doctrine, its hierarchy, or believe its history to be too spotted yet it has still chosen to follow and promote Jesus as the Savior of all Mankind. The Watchtower's animosity to the Catholic Church is due to Russell's campaign against them and that still poisons JWs and ex-JWs feelings about a group of actual Christians. It was solely responsible for the spiritual welfare of all of Western Europe and many other places for over 1200 years. It mostly did the job. I believe that God's blessing and direction is evident in Mainstream Christianity. JWs are not informed about the blessings of God in Mainstream Christianity and refuse to believe the reports found everywhere. People are changed for the better. People have their physical needs cared for. Miracles do happen.

The biggest differences between Catholic, Orthodox, Traditional Protestant and independent Christian organizations is the style of worship and the Governance of the group. The differences in Theology is relatively minor.

What God Blesses nothing can curse. Satanists will not "take over" the Kingdom of Christ (Christendom = the Domain of Christ). The exposure will change some and that is what we should pray for. Prayer for all kinds of persons is appropriate. The WT ban on prayers for anyone other than themselves is not Biblical.

Greetings to all and prayers for blessings,

Paul

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I and the Father are one. John 10:30.

by dgp in

i'm not that good at quoting the bible.

i see no value in learning verses by heart, sorry.

however, i just learned that in the new world translation (the organization's bible), john 10:30, jesus is said to say "i and the father are one".

FuzzyPaul

"singular anarthrous predicate nouns" does anyone know what that means? It is babble talk and might mean something to one in 1,000 University trained English majors but since only 5% of JWs have any college guess what? They likely are in awe at the big sounding words but have no clue if that is even a truthful or meaningful description of anything.

Sorry but my previous entry in this thread is that THE GOD is the one that the Logos was with but he is still called "god / God". The trinity is a separate issue anyway. The relationship between two persons is being spoken about.

We are familiar with three persons representing God. The Holy Spirit is an intelligent person.

1 Corinthians 2

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What no eye has seen and no ear has heard,
and what has never come into a man's heart,
is what God has prepared for those who love Him.
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who has known the Lord's mind,
that he may instruct Him?
But we have the mind of Christ.
Also, the Holy Spirit is termed "The Angel of The Presence of God" Angel meaning "messenger" but a person still.
Isaiah 63:
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Persons are grieved not "force fields" from God. The son of God was hinted at in Job when God asked if Job knew the name of his son. At Jesus baptism the Father identified Jesus as this Son introducing him with a thunderous voice from Heaven.
Equality is also a separate issue. Jesus is still called God. We must therefore fear him as much as The Father.
There may be more persons not yet identified.
Revelation 1
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To the seven churches in the province of Asia.
Grace and peace to you from the One who is, who was, and who is coming; from the seven spirits before His throne; 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
"Seven Spirits"
And the Sages of the Hebrew people throughout the last several millennium have theology for ten emanations of God who is called the EIN SOF. One of these emanations is "Wisdom" = "Chokhmah" "Binah" = "understanding" "Daat" = "knowledge". These emanations are said to have personality.
Proverbs 8 : 12 (and to 9 : 12 or so)
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It becomes obvious that a person is speaking in Proverbs 8 ....
Romans 11 : 22
Therefore, consider God's kindness and severity
Sephirot #4 Chesed -"Kindness"
#5 Gevurah - "Severity"
This is the nature of inspiration. God gives it to whom he wants and in several ways to produce "two or three witnesses".
Good-night, got Church and Sunday School in the Morning,
Paul
I, Wisdom, share a home with shrewdness
and have knowledge and discretion. John: But they rebelled,
and grieved His Holy Spirit.
So He became their enemy
[and] fought against them. In all their suffering, He suffered,
and the Angel of His Presence saved them.
He redeemed them
because of His love and compassion;
He lifted them up and carried them
all the days of the past. Now God has revealed them to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the concerns of a man except the spirit of the man that is in him? In the same way, no one knows the concerns of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, in order to know what has been freely given to us by God. 13 We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. 14 But the natural man does not welcome what comes from God's Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to know it since it is evaluated spiritually. 15 The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone. 16 For: But as it is written:

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my letter to the elders and governing body

by leftchica in

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to the elders of the maitland congregation and governing body of the watchtower tract.

and bible society,.

FuzzyPaul

When I wrote my letter I refused to play by their rules so I used no terms they emply such as "disassociate" or that I was leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses since that term is in the Bible and refers to Israel. I just told them The Watchtower, its doctrines and origins was seriously flawed and left them to figure it out. I pray that the letter gets read by a heart prepared by the Holy Spirit to leave the WT and find a relationship with Jesus.

I said that the Watchtower had demonically inspired doctrines. That made certain no one missed the import of my letter.

Paul;

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Let's play the Numbers Game!

by sd-7 in

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numbers are not a sound basis on which to build faith.

if christianity had been founded on numbers, it would have failed.

at christianitys darkest hour, namely, when jesus was on the torture stake, there was not one of his apostles that stood by him.

FuzzyPaul

For every ten baptisms they perform the number of JWs goes up one or two because eight or nine leave at the same time. Check it out. Its the actual case. More leave all the time.

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Does Anybody Have "The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived" .pdf?

by Nephilim in

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i'm looking all over and i can't find my old book.

i need to check one of the pictures - specifically jesus nailed to the stake..

FuzzyPaul

Actually, based on Raymond Franz's testimony, the Aid to Bible Understanding book is well put together and the Commentary on James was well done by a man who is now considerd an Apostate enemy by the WT. The Aid books replacement is garbage. Raymond Franz sells the James Commentary in the form originally written because the WT edited something to its detriment. Raymond Franz does admit that he was given the Aid book's Bible Chronology entry and had to be dishonest to match the flawed dates that the GBees support.

Still don't have those anymore though. Might have demons printed onto the paper. They are in the Watchtower manufactured ink you know!

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Does Anybody Have "The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived" .pdf?

by Nephilim in

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i'm looking all over and i can't find my old book.

i need to check one of the pictures - specifically jesus nailed to the stake..

FuzzyPaul

Not me. I discarded ALL the Watchtower literature we had. I filled the book's pages with water and squeezed the water through so even the garbage man couldn't pick one up and read his death sentence for living well. The video tapes, hammered to pieces as well as cassettes. CD-ROMs cut up.

Ploof.

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What would you consider as evidence that JWs have "The Truth"?

by Tuesday in

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one of the questions i ask jws before discussing anything with them is:.

"what facts, evidence or otherwise would you consider as proof that jehovah's witnesses are not the true religion?".

i thought it was unfair to simply ask that of them so i figured i'd answer a similar question:.

FuzzyPaul

If Jehovah's Witnesses teach it, it probably isn't true. I found through very deep study that they have a twist to every doctrine and many passages in the NWT are edited for tense or word choice to give a false impression of the meaning. I found that reading the NWT made me depressed as it was so negative. My Holman Christian Standard Bible does not.

It seems that every doctrine Christendom teaches is contradicted by the Watchtower. Every common practice condemned. Every Holiday represented as Pagan. Christmas is not a pagan holiday because Jesus is not a Pagan deity and so-on. Christmas is likely the date the Magi visited. See http://bethlehemstar.net/ for that.

Paul