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  Just wanna share this with you

  by testigay in

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  hi from spain!

  yesterday was one of the most important days in my life: i told my mom i didn't want to go to meetings anymore.

  all began in december, when i started to stop going.

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  Hi from Spain! Yesterday was one of the most important days in my life: i told my mom i didn't want to go to meetings anymore. All began in december, when i started to stop going. I live in Madrid but my mother lives 300 km in another city. I usually told the elders of my congregation in Madrid that I was in that city for long times. It worked at the beginning until tomorrow one of the elders give a phone call at home and my mother answer it. Then all turn down. My mother told me when was the last time I give the report and then I told her all the truth. Amazingly she has reacted in a manner I didn't expected her to. He was quite comprenhensive, but I can feel her disapointed after a hole life trying to convert me. I cried. There was so mucho emotions on the table. I told her I didn't want to talk with ANY elder in this city or in Madrid. Just give me alone, I have to think (but I have thought enough). Now i feel strange, I don't know how to react, what to say, how treat her... Well, I need some support. I will read your comments, thanks a lot in advance!
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  So Who is the Biggest Watchtower Villain?

  by slimboyfat in

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  who is the biggest villain in watchtower history?

  let's have a poll.

  here are the candidates with a few possible reasons for voting for each:.

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  testigay

  Wow!!! That's sounds a little bit of a conspiracy theory!!! So, the GB doesn't have any control at all????? Is the Corp which really governs??? Mmmm.... it's sounds weird. I think that the president is a puppet, as the rest of president of the corporations.
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  So Who is the Biggest Watchtower Villain?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  who is the biggest villain in watchtower history?

  let's have a poll.

  here are the candidates with a few possible reasons for voting for each:.

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  testigay

  Gary... but I think Don is an instrument that the GB uses as he pleases. I mean... Don Adans will do whatever the GB requires. If he wanted to change something he could be probably be removes by someone the GB relays on.
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  Marriage vows: What the...?

  by under_believer in

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  2. friends

  i, [name], do take you, [name], to be my lawfully wedded [husband/wife], to love, honor [bride: and deeply respect], for as long as we both shall live together on earth under god's marital arrangement.. ummm... what?

  so romantic, so meaningful.

  is it just me, or is that marriage vow right out of the frickin' twilight zone?

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  testigay

  There's a similar talk about in this threat:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/120040/1.ashx
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  Do the members pay for the litterature?

  by Hellrider in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am discussing something on the "discussion"-part of wikipedia (on jehovahs witnesses) in my country.

  a person there claims that the witnesses pays nothing for the litterature they receive from the watchtower.

  is this true?

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  testigay

  Main JW still pay for some costs BUT in general I think they contribute less than before. In the congregation where I'm staying now for 2 years I never paid nothing. I can tell you one thing: I remember several years ago (2003 I think) here in Spain were held 3 international conventions. My mother and two grand-parents give my 80 $ to put on the contribution box. Finally I din't through on that box, I kept for myself :p
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  JW Wedings

  by testigay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just register to this forum.

  i want you to discuss about jw weddings... i mean... why there is no oficial ceremony, as for example baptisms?

  here, in spain where i live, the elder only give a speech about marriage&family but always they say that the marriage have been already made at the council-house (it's correct this word?

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  testigay

  Cristians (first century, etc) need goverment permission to perform their wedings??? This is the quid of the question.
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  JW Wedings

  by testigay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just register to this forum.

  i want you to discuss about jw weddings... i mean... why there is no oficial ceremony, as for example baptisms?

  here, in spain where i live, the elder only give a speech about marriage&family but always they say that the marriage have been already made at the council-house (it's correct this word?

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  testigay

  I think that the Catholic Church (by a covenant between Spain and Vatican years years ago) is the only religion that performs weddings, but actually in the same ceremony they make the civil register of the wedding. But anyway, my question is not about making a wedding by someone. I mean... maybe the goverment is the only one with autority to make valid the wedding (which is logical because we live in the world). My question is ... WHY THE WITNESSES DON'T PERFORM THEIR OWN CEREMONY BEFORE GOD AND THE CONGREGATION??? WHY THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE THEIR OWN AUTORITY TO DO WEDDINGS (AT LEAST FOR THEM or AT A CONGREGATIONAL LEVEL) AS THEY RECOGNIZE THEIR OWN AUTORITY TO GO PREACHING WHERE THEY WANT?
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  JW Wedings

  by testigay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just register to this forum.

  i want you to discuss about jw weddings... i mean... why there is no oficial ceremony, as for example baptisms?

  here, in spain where i live, the elder only give a speech about marriage&family but always they say that the marriage have been already made at the council-house (it's correct this word?

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  testigay

  In Spain JW's are a religion, there are no restrictions in that sense. However, the do not performe the wedding as Blondie has just outlined before. The only do (sometimes, not always) the vows. Nothing else. They always say that the wedding have took in the council. Just one thing: mormons believe in eternal marriage, and the do their ceremonies and they consider holy that ceremony. Also they register in the council the marriage, but they know that the marriage WHICH IS MORE VALUABLE is the one of the religion. That's the point of my question. Why the do not consider that kind of holy the marriage on a KH? There are some wedings made by JW (maybe with no believers) that are still considered as weddings without passing through the KH.
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  JW Wedings

  by testigay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just register to this forum.

  i want you to discuss about jw weddings... i mean... why there is no oficial ceremony, as for example baptisms?

  here, in spain where i live, the elder only give a speech about marriage&family but always they say that the marriage have been already made at the council-house (it's correct this word?

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  testigay

  Thank you for your answers and specially Blondie for that outlines. But I think that you've misunderstood me (or maybe I haven't explain myself correctly). Here in Spain the weding (civil one) is made at the council house. Then, the JW's return to the Kingdom Hall where they have a speech and in some cases (not always) the JW take the vows blondie have just written. This is the first time I've heard about the elder MAKING 2 QUESTIONS, just as the council officer does!! But still my answer is... if the WT have authority to make baptisms... why doesn't have the autority to make weddings??? I mean... the first couple where married in front of God, and the WT is the channel between God and the rest of the JW's, why is not necesery to have the blessing of the org about this matter as in other things???. Maybe here in Spain they don't have the right to make weddings, but is still curious that they don't try to have that right at least inside the Kingdom Hall. Is not the first time they do something like this (for example when they were considered a cultural organization in Mexico when everyone understand that was half-truth). In Spain, during the meeting at the KH they SPECIALLY ENPHASIZE THAT WHAT IS TAKING IS NOT A WEDING, THE WEDDING WAS HELD AT THE COUNCIL HOUSE. So... that's my question, why the Society doesn't recognize his own autorithy (dispate what the Cesaer's law says) to make weddings??? I hope that I've explain much better this time. Thank you again!!! P.S. My nickname is a mixture between the words TESTIGO (witness in spanish) and GAY. I'm an active witness but I'm also gay, I don't believe in the WT, I hope to flip off soon, but I'm afraid of my family.
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  JW Wedings

  by testigay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just register to this forum.

  i want you to discuss about jw weddings... i mean... why there is no oficial ceremony, as for example baptisms?

  here, in spain where i live, the elder only give a speech about marriage&family but always they say that the marriage have been already made at the council-house (it's correct this word?

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  testigay

  Hi everyone!!! I've just register to this forum. I want you to discuss about JW weddings... I mean... why there is no OFICIAL CEREMONY, as for example baptisms? Here, in Spain where I live, the elder only give a speech about marriage&family BUT ALWAYS THEY SAY THAT THE MARRIAGE HAVE BEEN ALREADY MADE AT THE COUNCIL-HOUSE (it's correct this word?). If they have autority to do baptisms... WHY THE DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO MADE WEDDINGS? Is there any evidence about how weddings where made at the first century between christians? Hope to read your answers as soon as possible. Thank you!!!