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  How many years will pass before the world recognizes we were right?

  by John Aquila in

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  2. beliefs

  its inevitable that at some point in time, people will look back and see that the exjw community was right about the watchtower organization and the bible..

  i have some friends who are catholic, protestant, and some who dont associate with any religion but believe jesus will come in their lifetime.

  we are such a small minority compared to christians that we are viewed as ignorant when it comes to religious matters.

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  The "world" of Christianity is getting closer and closer to realizing that SCIENCE is right and that all religion is wrong. There will be a tipping point in the distant future where that solidifies into something important. Tipping points don't necessarily remove the minority who were "wrong." Watchtower and it's former members will continue to be insignificant to the "world."

  I do understand what I think you are asking. It's something like "When will Christianity realize that Jehovah's Witnesses are a dangerous high-control group and not a part of mainstream Christianity?" All Christian sects are strange and far from the truth of science, in my opinion. It doesn't really matter how many from a strange belief system out of line with science realize that Jehovah's Witnesses are too strange for the title of "mainstream." The importance will be when the scales are in favor of science instead of religion.
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  "This Generation"-- New Light AGAIN

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  new "jesus--the way" book, pages 258-259: .

  "truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.matthew 24:32-34. thus, when his disciples see the many different features of the sign being fulfilled, they should realize that the end is near.".

  so now "this generation" is simply the disciples who see all the many different features of the sign?.

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  Cappytan has it the way I see it. The Watchtower of 2010 with the "overlap" is still the official doctrine that explains why everything from "1914" to "this generation" to "soon" to even how Adam was 6000 years old in 1975 is CORRECT, but it is so ridiculous that they want to leave it in place and not mention it anymore. Plus, they print stuff for years, even decades, that is so vague and then they later point to their own printings and say "See, we've been leaning this way for a long time."

  For a little while after the 1995 change in "generation," I fell for that for awhile. I would see how they would point to their own words from recent past study articles as if that was the word of God and we are just catching up on it.
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  Happy Memorial Day

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wishing a happy memorial day to everyone!

  we had some friends over, barbecued and let the kids run around slap crazy playing cops and robbers and hide and go seek.

  we have so many freedoms that those under tyranny do not have.

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  Salute!
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  How much sediment would have been moved in Noah's flood?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i flew over this crate yesterday on my return home from las vegas.. .

  they say this crater was created by an asteroid about 50,000 years ago.

  then about 6000 years ago, presumably, god wiped out all life on earth with a global flood.. how much sediment would have been moved around during that flood.

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  The Neanderthals had a tall structure there and survived the flood with provisions. They may have had the dinosaurs with them. When the water was subsiding and they were about to get down onto the dry earth again, God blasted this structure with so much energy that the building material disintegrated without a trace of it nor the neanderthals nor the dinosaurs.

  There's a silly answer for everything. They stop being silly when enough (religious) people adopt them.
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  Spirituality

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

  im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

  i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

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  Sounds like the perfect beach book for me. I ordered it and will read it this winter on vacation.

  Without previewing the book, it sounds much like a western version of eastern Zen/Tao philosophy. Let go, less is more, be at harmony and peace with your surroundings. There are terms for that without the word "spiritual." It is called "inner peace" and "serenity." One can be "enlightened" when they realize what it takes to get this feeling.

  You don't have to be religious to benefit from eastern philosophy. But I tend to agree with others that your "spirituality" is not an achieved "oneness" with the universe, but rather a journey down a path that your own mind wants to go, so different for each person and their focuses.

  I like to say that "spiritual" is everything that is not secular. "Secular" is labor and paying for things. But "spiritual" is enjoying life and other people, and includes escaping from daily routines in any way. It can include work and paying the bills when you reflect on what those things do for your character.
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  Can This Be True?

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
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  i was very tired today, still am.

  age is getting to me.

  that video will be shown to millions of parents around the world.

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  What you suggested about the timing of the release to allow children to actually drop something in the box right away after seeing the video, YES- You bet that was the plan.
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  Help? :(

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i apologize for how rantish this is but please hear me out.

  anyways i'm a 15 year old girl and i've never really wanted to be a jw.

  its just never been something thats made me feel happy or loved.

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  Black Wolf, what with the lawsuit-happy world we live in, I can't really advise you on what to do as a 15-year old. I can tell you that when I was 16 and 17, I managed to do things my parents didn't know about. It wasn't preparing for art school, but it could have been were that what I wanted to do.

  I know that life is terrible right now and that you think a few years is a long time. But really, you will be an adult soon. Were it me, I would be pretty open about how I don't care to be a JW, no matter how my parents react. I would not give talks in the school nor ring anyone's front doorbell. All they could do would be to drag me to the meetings and to the neighborhood for recruiting. Any punishment seems to be what they would do anyway, like keep me from other kids and the mall and stuff like that. I would probably be well-behaved and silent at meetings and JW stuff so that I wasn't being disrespectful. Then, I could say how they aren't winning me over with their punishments and maybe they would not make things worse. I would keep enjoying music and secretly learn what it would take for me to get into an art school, even if I couldn't really do it for several years (into my 20's).

  Flipper mentions any non-JW relatives. Is it possible that at 18, you could go to them to help you on your way to college? If not, then you can still do it on your own. It'll just take a few more years.

  Don't be obsessed with "now." It seems just a tiny while ago I was an active JW and now I am almost 10 years out.
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  Out of the Mouth of Babes - Bethel Gift shop?

  by 4thgen in

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  2. friends

  about a week ago i posted to ask for some suggestions on how handle my (pre-teen) sons upcoming trip with his father trip to bethel this summer.

  i got some wonderful suggestions.

  some of which was to leave him alone, as he will see through the bullshxt himself.

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  Popular items for jw org

  I doubt there's a gift shop of the type your son is wondering about. But he's going to find some strange things there with his open mind.
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  Spiritual AMNESTY -- Return to Jehovah

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  basically, from what i can tell from the new return to jehovah brochure, is that the governing body is now offering amnesty to anyone who has been gone from the congregation but now wants to return.. it claims it doesn't matter what sins you've done, or what caused you to leave, if you repent to jehovah and ask the elders to help you, and return to the meetings, you'll be warmly welcomed with no disciplinary action or judgment against you..

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  Suppose their amnesty offer is true. Or even in my case, there is no reason to hold a judicial committee. So what? So they invite people back to bonds of slavery?

  No thanks. While ceasing the shunning would be great, not all kind acts from Watchtower lead to better.

  I actually wish the recruiting work got harder, instead of this standing or sitting by a literature stand. And that meetings become more burdensome instead of shorter. I wish they would cracked the whip more and drive people out faster.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Give Presents Their Own Way

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses give presents their own way.. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/lara-ruffle-coles/jehovahs-witnesses-give-presents-their-own-way_b_7231380.html.

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  bangalore.

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  All fine and good. In one former Jw''s experience, she did not feel cheated by their not celebrating. Three things: 1. The typical JW family does not do well making a difference to the kids with gifts at other times. 2. Many JW children are terrified of violating Jehovah''s rules at birthday and holiday celebrations. 3. JW children feel left out from the other children.

  Even most non-Christian kids don't run away terrified from birthday cupcakes at school or feel like lightning will strike them if they accept a piece of candy connected to a holiday.