If the members could only step back and look at themselves and how the organization has managed to sneak that symbol in so forcefully. Oh, they will make excuses for Mother: We don't worship or salute it, it contains no idolatrous symbols, YADDA YADDA. Yeah, but you got children carrying banners on a stick with it, jewelry and ties and pins really no different than the cross on a Catholic, you have it on all the Kingdom Halls.
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FOTW on FB
by oppostate inif you have a facebook account head on over to: https://www.facebook.com/groups/flagsoftheworld/.
they're discussing the jw flags that showed up at the rc.. one jw seems to be asking why would it be strange for the wt to have a flag for their religion.. i dunno, maybe because flags can be symbolic idols according to previous wt teachings?.
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Thoughts: Convinced that my wife will never awake from the brainwashing
by goingthruthemotions inhello all, it's been a long time since i have posted.
well, things have not changed on my end.
i am still going thru the motions.
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OnTheWayOut
One thought on going to the meetings for your wife's sake.
The kids hate it. You hate it. I know you go for her sake, but does that really help? I say this because you may just be keeping her sure that you will one day hear the right talk to bring you back or else something at the meeting will bring you to your senses.
I would consider telling her how much you love her but want to stop going with her to the Kingdom Hall because of the repetitive crap that just isn't true and you want to go do something else with the kids while she's gone.
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An elder, Chief MD in Honolulu clinic goes door to door. Testimony given at JW convention
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20150725/281848642300889/textview.
it sounds to me like he was a jw before he became a physician.
"kalauawa, who became a jw 31 years ago, said he had to overcome a major conflict between his religious and professional beliefs, because jws are opposed to blood transfusions.
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OnTheWayOut
I picture the scene with this doctor's cognitive dissonance.
"You need a blood transfusion right away. Doctor Smith, please sign this."
"Hee hee, I got away with it again. Jehovah must love me."
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So heres latest from local hall
by poopie ina friend of mine that is df went to hall today someone held door for him he thanked them ,soon after and elder aproached wispered in his ear "you cant talk to anyone" the pharisees .
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Actually, a DF'ed person is free to talk to anyone they want to talk to. It is the faithful JW that must not talk to THEM. Even there, they play the cat-and-mouse game of saying that people CHOOSE to shun the person. We all know that's nonsense.
If you want to be reinstated, yes- you have to play the silent game. But what an ass-hat for shooting someone down for saying "Thank you."
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An elder, Chief MD in Honolulu clinic goes door to door. Testimony given at JW convention
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20150725/281848642300889/textview.
it sounds to me like he was a jw before he became a physician.
"kalauawa, who became a jw 31 years ago, said he had to overcome a major conflict between his religious and professional beliefs, because jws are opposed to blood transfusions.
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OnTheWayOut
a man couldn't hold an appointed position in a congregation if he was in university because of setting a bad example for others, especially the youth.
I bet they accepted his money, gave him pats on the back for his achievements, and down the road after it was said and done, made him an elder. Some things never change. "Don't go to college" is a cry they make because many will wake up and leave the Witnesses. So if someone dares to defy but remains with the JW's, well.....they are a huge asset.
The whole piece sounds like a propaganda story that Headquarters could have written (or at least dictated) adn submitted to the news. The article has not only the doctor, but a couple with a little girl afterward. It "normalizes" the JW's. I could write the between-the-lines stuff: "WE HAVE DOCTORS, THEY DON"T DEPRIVE ANYONE OF BLOOD." "He uses his education to his advantage in the ministry." "You should all average 5 or more hours every weekend and use vacations to put in more hours." "Drag your little girl in service until she finds it normal."
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Ray Franz and You.
by John Aquila inif ray franz would have kept his mouth shut and not disfellowshipped, and remained part of the governing body how many of us ex-jw would still be trapped in the cult?.
would we have come this far?.
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When I had posted for the first time on this forum, I had yet to ever hear of Ray Franz and his books. The internet was loaded with information that helped me to escape, but it was me that started the search. So take some of it out and there was more to replace it.
But yeah, Ray Franz was just the man to write about the Ivory Tower and what really goes on.
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Update rant almost a year out!
by Ghiagirl infor those who know my story my hubby and i are almost a year out of the organization!
my due date is right around the corner and still no word from my hubby's family.
they are hardcore.
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So sorry to read of his family caught up in the JW rules.
and his response.....does anyone know???
Don't get me wrong, but I learned right away that they do things that way when I was appointed an elder. Since there really wasn't anything I could do to stop it, I magnified it instead. Any member in trouble in my congregation was my family member. If I could help them, I would tell them what the body of elders needed to hear or not to hear. But plenty of people got assigned to plenty of different elders. And when they have an agenda, there's nothing you can do. But your husband didn't just "get in trouble." He's outta there. He does need to try to just move on.
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Im ready to leave
by SpunkedTeen ini just found this website and im so glad because for the first time in a long time i dont feel alone...i am a born in and in the last two years have been struggling because i thought that i was the problem and i was the reason for not feeling any love from and for the other pubs .i want to leave the org but have no idea how to tell my mother(who is a faithful jw).
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Welcome,
You have made a giant leap of a step in seeing the problem for what it is. You will need to take some time to figure out the path you must follow. I assume by your name that you are a teen living at home.
Slow down until you know your next step. Some decide to be brutally honest, others decide to bide their time until they are on their own then slide away from the JW organization. One path may be disastrous for your mother and the other may be too much to ask of you. You have to figure that one out, and maybe even figure other alternatives.
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DOES BELIEF IN THE BIBLE DESTROY ONE'S INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY?
by TerryWalstrom inbased on information to be found at: http://www.csicop.org/si/show/when_dont_the_highly_educated_believe_in_evolution_the_bible_believers_effe/.
the bible-believers effect.
those who believe the bible is the word of god (bible believers) and those who dont believe the bible is the word of god (bible nonbelievers) differ in their beliefs that humans evolved from earlier species of animals.
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As a former cult member, I know that certain totally wrong beliefs and intelligence are not often connected at all. A JW or a fundy Christian may not desire to be "intellectual" but otherwise, the one doesn't necessarily affect the other at all.
It can, though. A person can turn off their logic when it comes to science or when it comes to needing proof of their beliefs. But otherwise, most Bible believers seem to bathe in their cognitive dissonance. They can understand evolution as good as the next person whether they believe it or not, they can have intellectual discussions on issues or philosophies.
Before you go finding plenty of exceptions, there are plenty of exceptions in all belief systems. Plenty of people aren't much when it comes to being "intellectuals."
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Rejecting something due to unscriptural or pagan origins.....?
by stuckinarut2 inso witnesses reject many practices or holidays due to their "unscriptural or pagan" origins.. for example, birthday celebrations, mothers or father's day, christmas etc..... most people in the world will say "but the origin doesn't matter anymore, we follow this custom now because it's a joyful occasion that creates happy times and brings the family together".
it is still firmly rejected.. so, if the wrong origin is so important, and should result in rejecting something, why isn't the same principle applied to the actual jehovah's witness faith itself!?.
after all, the very foundation of the organisation was based on wrong understandings of the bible, far fetched teachings and doctrines, links to false religious backgrounds, pyramidology, false predictions, inaccurate beliefs etc...... using their reasoning, it doesn't matter how good something is now, if the origin was faulty to begin with?
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OnTheWayOut
Pagan did originally mean "country bumpkin" and morphed into all beliefs non-Christian. It was primarily applied to the polytheistic beliefs of the people of the region of Europe that was under Roman rule. Today, it has a sense of anything sensual or hedonistic about a belief system. Somehow, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims escape the definition.
Because it's a changing word like most words, Christians use it at their convenience to mean anything they don't like outside of their beliefs.
Everything that exists can be described as pagan by defining them as existing before Christianity or existing outside of Christianity. So calling a statue of a duck or a cross pagan is a meaningless statement.