can anyone tell me where is the best place to buy the hardcopy book from?
i need it for a friend, i need to buy it from a place that the proceeds go to a good cause, not amazon,..
I remember paying a bunch for the book when Ray was alive, but bound print versions seem enormously expensive now, much more so than when I bought it (and passed it on to others). Ray and Cynthia are gone. Do yourself a favor and download a free copy from the internet and donate $40 to a proper charity.
I am all for helping out people when they have given so much, but I think Ray and Cynthia would love knowing that the book is freely available and widely read years later.
a reflection on the importance of acknowledging that we can all be manipulated.. this is an excellent presentation on the problems with leaving the group, problems with disagreeing with the group, why recruiting children is important to religions.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iauhr-trkhy.
John Aquila, while they would never admit to such a thing, I do tend to think that recruiting is not really a think they are after right now. They are trying to have retention of members and get donations from members. They know that recruitment costs money in literature and they are not really able to spend money right now. Children recruitment is definitely very much their focus just to keep some getting baptized at assembly halls.
under the radar, glad to help. I hope it helps your friends.
sir82, they have painted themselves into a corner with poor recruitment and encouragement to stay poor among members.
KateWild, I tend to agree. Current leaders are in crisis mode. Someone will change everything eventually.
Vidiot, very true.
hello everyone.. first post here.
long time follower of this website, probably 4 years now.
i've known about ttatt since ive been 18, im now 22 going on 23 but still go to meetings because of parents.
I don't have your situation and I really didn't use scriptures when talking with JW family, except to say that I should be examining the doctrine for myself as the Bereans did.
I suggest taking a hard look at jwfacts.com to aid you in talking to your folks.
Three great areas for preparing yourself are
1. 15 minute guide to truth: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/15-minute-guide-to-truth.php
2. Is it Truth? : http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/truth.php
3. Fear and Mind Control: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/fear-cult-mind-control.php
Try not to say "mind control" this early with your discussion, but talk about the fear of questioning anything they say.
I have found myself. The gods of man's creation do not exist.
I am glad you offered this thread for me to get that cleared up for you.
a reflection on the importance of acknowledging that we can all be manipulated.. this is an excellent presentation on the problems with leaving the group, problems with disagreeing with the group, why recruiting children is important to religions.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iauhr-trkhy.
A reflection on the importance of acknowledging that we can all be manipulated.
This is an excellent presentation on the problems with leaving the group, problems with disagreeing with the group, why recruiting children is important to religions.
when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.
after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.
at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.
Two things- The BACK TO THE FUTURE STUFF is reaching and even if you think it's odd, it's a huge frigging coincidence.
As far as THE WIRE goes, I wouldn't doubt the man noticed the odd stuff in the BTTF movies and played it up a bit into THE WIRE.
How about this: the Twin Pines Mall and terrorists had nothing to do with the Twin Towers. Showing them in the window was a coincidence, but it's because the guy liked the Twin Towers and how they represented New York so well. His fascination with the towers led to THE WIRE.
And when the Cubs do indeed win the World Series, it won't be against "Miami" so the first part is a big coincidence.
Look for patterns, find patterns. Look for patterns after the facts and make them fit the facts and you will be able to find a way to find them fitting.
how many of us were woken up by some apostate yelling false prophets at a convention?.
how many of us were woken up by someone holding a sign and yelling, what happened to 1975.
how many of us were coerced to investigate the wt because some ex-jw pulled up a bunch of old watchtowers magazines and told us to read the false predictions?.
i'll start off with this one:.
some years ago when i was formulating my exit, i employed for some time an ms brother from another congregation.. i'd had a couple of young "worldly" lads work for me but they proved unreliable as they used drugs or alchohol and consequently would'nt arrive at work and such like.. so when i was was contacted by this brother and spoke to him and heard he'd worked at the australian bethel for some time on construction and wanted an opportunity to learn the trade of bricklaying ,i thought ,"great someone to finally trust and be reliable".
he was in his 40's at the time and he worked like a trojan ,was honest ,really likeable and interesting ,could play the classical guitar beautifully ,had a beautiful family.
Besides my wife, mother, and in-law family, I would just love to hear about upper echelon members, especially governing body members, bugging out like Ray Franz did.
He did so much for the cause and with these guys so "out there" now, imagine the damage a fresh whistle blower could do.
Short of that, I would hope for the loved ones of my dear friends from the ex-JW community to wake up and embrace us all.
i won't pretend to know things that i don't but just look at the incredible rate of change we've witnessed recently.
it seems that since candace conti and the australian royal commission the watchtower are scrabbling around to shore up their finances in the face of unprecedented legal action against them.. abuse settlement claims are one thing but what happens when children die as a result of your religious teachings?!
you can bet wt legal are arguing for a complete rewrite of policy to protect the organisation from litigation.. do you think their religious privilege will protect them forever?
The Oregon case is an example of how slow the process is. The state is trying to save infants from the religious beliefs of their parents and not from the religion itself. Headway toward elimination of that religion will come when someone, say a grandparent who felt the loss, successfully sues the religion over the matter.
But the groundwork is there.
I read a rumor that Watchtower eliminated the Theocratic Ministry School, largely in part because Australia and other places require background checks or other minimum standards of training for anyone involved in a "school" where children are enrolled- no exceptions. So Sunday School or Theocratic Ministry School would come up under that requirement. Watchtower's response to eliminate a "school" with children in it would be a solid reaction similar to the (hoped for) abandoning of the automatic disassociation for a blood transfusion. It may take one successful lawsuit or one aggressive new law in some country to bring that about.
lately my mental health has been rapidly declining.
i have anorexia and deppression, and my anxiety has become overwhelming.
i have been to many doctors/therapists in the past, but because i have not been magically cured my parents dont want to get me any more help.
I would never give advice like this to an individual.
Some people who think they need professional help (such as counseling) and don't get it because their parents interfere or think they don't need it, go outside of the home and seek it anyway.
They might go to the school they would attend and approach the school counselor and explain that they are in this situation. The school counselor would be obligated to report such a problem to whatever social services are available in the area. Others would go straight to social services and skip the school counselor. If they didn't know how to find social services, they might start at a police station or a church.
The reason I would not directly give advice to do such a thing is because it puts things in motion for people to investigate their parents and the homeschool situation and all.
While I would not give YOU such advice, were it me- I would seek help outside the home. I have a history of a need for professional counseling and I wouldn't want to wait until it was too late. I hope you understand what I am saying.
