Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Atheists and Christmas

by nicolaou in

yes, we can enjoy christmas!.

we can put up and decorate a xmas tree, wrap and give presents and get the whole section of non-jw family round for a big turkey dinner with all the trimmings - yum!.

we don't feel guilty about getting time off work and relaxing in front of all those cheesy xmas movies (baby's day out is still my favourite).. so if, unlike me, you want to frame your festivities in a story of a magical baby go right ahead, this thread isn't about belief bashing.. whatever your definition of the 'true meaning of christmas', mine is just as valid; it's the celebration of my freedom, my ability to choose how to live my life and who to share it's joys with.. so let this rabid, godless, antichrist of an atheist wish you all a very merry christmas!

OnTheWayOut

We can give up Christmas if Christians that give all credit to God will give up doctors and medicines and stick with prayer.

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Good books to read?

by thedepressedsoul in

i read crisis on the conscience and i am about to start, "who wrote the bible?

" does anyone have a list or great books to read for anyone searching for the real truth?

i've only ever seen the world through a jw lens and i am excited to see what other view points are out there!

OnTheWayOut

http://www.amazon.com/History-End-World-Controversial-Civilization/dp/0061349879

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A question .....

by Landy in

hi guys - new poster here.

i was brought up a jw in the uk and stopped going not long after i was married.

that was 20 years ago so i'm not really up to date with the current doctrinal flip flops or the new youtube obsessed gb.. came across this site while googling the name of a local elder who's just been convicted of possesion of a pc full of unpleasant pics of kids.. so, my question.

OnTheWayOut

So why do you do it? It's hard work for no gain. Why not just call it quits and fade away?

Even though people will give their answers that virtually always include loved ones, they should ask themselves your questions. Some could very well leave.

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Elders who dislike other congregation elders

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my congregation had four elders who had different personalities.you would see a little friction among themselves.. #1 self-righteous and the 800 pound gorilla.he would push everyone around in the congregation and even some fellow elders.. # 2 elder was around 80 years old and looked like he stuck around a little too long.it looked like he was around because he never decided to give up the position.his duty became very light as he aged.. # 3 elder was in his early 30's and newly elected.he made no waves and whatever was asked of him in the congregation he would do.easy to push around like a little puppy dog.. #4 elder (who everyone liked ) was easy to get along with and had a family who everyone loved.

he didn't like elder # 1. they had a power struggle amongst each other which everyone observed while the meetings were in session.. here are 2 small verbal fights that i observed while the congregation meetings were in session:.

while elder # 1 was giving a talk ( heavy rain storms are brewing outside with loud thunder and lightning ) the microphones and lights are knocked out.we lost all power and could barely see.

OnTheWayOut

I was on BOE's that got along, but we had this one elder who really did what he could to sabotage the appointment of a particular M.S. because he didn't get along with him. It finally came to the point where we had to tell him to examine himself and his own qualifications, and to step aside if he couldn't accept the inevitable.

Other than that, I saw plenty of differences between different congregations that shared a hall. They would try to manipulate schedules and financial matters in a way that benefits one group over the other, to the suffering of all congregation members.

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What did you think was going to happen?!?

by Simon in

so my wife has to make some home-made cookies for a work x-mas cookie exchange (i've told her to grab a handful of the receptionists 'cause hers were nice last year).. anyway.

being a supportive husband i volunteer to help and my definition of "help" is anything to do with chocolate - specifically melting it to dip the cookies in.. "ok", she says, "thanks!".

i can't believe my luck.

OnTheWayOut

...and you nor your wife wanted to grab a handful of anything else from this so-called receptionist?

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Finally heard a Dub defend overlapping generations

by Socrateswannabe in

since the overlapping generations doctrine was introduced, i have found the jws i know to be uncharacteristically silent on the subject.

i can't remember hearing a single dub try to defend this idiocy.

but that all ended recently.

OnTheWayOut

I get this now.

It's just like when they tell someone that "trinity" is not in the Bible. "Overlapping" generation isn't there either. So they scoff at one and lap up the other.

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What did you think was going to happen?!?

by Simon in

so my wife has to make some home-made cookies for a work x-mas cookie exchange (i've told her to grab a handful of the receptionists 'cause hers were nice last year).. anyway.

being a supportive husband i volunteer to help and my definition of "help" is anything to do with chocolate - specifically melting it to dip the cookies in.. "ok", she says, "thanks!".

i can't believe my luck.

OnTheWayOut

(I've told her to grab a handful of the receptionists 'cause hers were nice last year)

Wow! Maybe the real meaning behind that statement will come out.

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Watchtower says in Paradise we will fly like Superman and so avoid accidents???!!

by Witness 007 in

golden age aug 25 1926 p.751.

"negative gravitation.

you may have wondered how accidents will be avoided in jesus kingdom since we are told nothing will hurt or destroy.

OnTheWayOut

So much about Watchtower is just like the Matrix, so why not that too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viC6hmSSzfc

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Finally heard a Dub defend overlapping generations

by Socrateswannabe in

since the overlapping generations doctrine was introduced, i have found the jws i know to be uncharacteristically silent on the subject.

i can't remember hearing a single dub try to defend this idiocy.

but that all ended recently.

OnTheWayOut

Ask what graphs and charts from the Bible itself are there? All a JW gets is that it has not happened, so any gobbledee goop must be the right understanding.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

OnTheWayOut

I will read all other comments for the entertainment value and for the wonderful wit and philosophy of others. As for the original post, I hold my laughter at the absurdity and will participate in the absolutely ridiculous nature of the questions:

so assuming that there is a creator and he wrote the Bible, where have JWs gone wrong?
Is it possible that they are nearest to the truth than any other religions?

Okay, the "God" who wrote the Old Testament is a megalomaniac. Watch out for Him. The message from "the beginning" was "You better obey or he will mess you up. Don't eat from that tree or He will kill you." So if you want to think that JW's have that kind of message, they are pretty close.

But JW's claim to be Christian. That means, they accept the New Testament. If we take the NT to be God's Word, then Doctor Jekyll was sent by Mister Hyde to fix it all. Jesus tried to say "Stop judging others. Give your material things to the poor." By focusing on hating outsiders, shunning former members, and enriching a printing company, JW's have missed the target by a million miles. By delivering literature as their primary focus (with profit in mind) and chiefly ignoring actual charity work, Jehovah's Witnesses have gone 180 degrees off the path set by Doctor Jekyll (Jesus).