OnTheWayOut

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  We are not a cult!

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought the writer here did a good job comparing the faqs of several high control groups.

  hopefully this will be useful to someone out there.. http://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/we-are-not-a-cult/.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Some think of a cult as being a new or unorthodox religion. Jehovah’s Witnesses have not invented a new religion. On the contrary, we pattern our worship after that of the first-century Christians, whose example and teachings were recorded in the Bible. YADDA YADDA!!

  I love how any cult group tries to find the common misconceptions about cults and say "That doesn't apply to us." Sorry, I already learned that a cult doesn't need to hit all the markers of a cult, and being "new" really isn't one of them anyway.

  Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”—Matthew 23:10.

  Bullshit. They obey these guys, but claim they are not the leaders, just those taking the lead. They claim they are not inspired, but just spirit-directed. They cannot walk the line like that. Total bullshit.

  
  
  
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  Is there new light about joining the Military?

  by ShirleyW in

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  2. friends

  i'm sure there's probably not, but on jwmatch, which i subscribe to for laughs, i got their usual email today saying they found the perfect match for me, he's in hawaii, i'm in nyc, he's 40 and i"m 18 years older, perfect so far, right?

  anyway below is the first line of his narrative introducing himself.

  i am disfellowshipped and likely won't be reinstated until i retire from the military in three years.

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  Hey, it sounds like the best on all accounts for this guy. He can "retire" from the military with a pension and go get a JW-approved job. He can eventually get reinstated. He can have a hot 18-year-old.

  I would figure he wants to meet his young match before attempting to get reinstated, then he can have a normal dating/engagement period- meaning he can have premarital sex. What a good plan for someone who doesn't want to ever figure out that Watchtower is a lie.
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  As Brooklyn Park Stalls, Fingers Point at Watchtower Corporation

  by AMNESIANO in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/nyregion/stalled-brooklyn-park-exposes-rift-with-religious-group.html?_r=1&referer=http://m.facebook.com.

  amnesian.

  captive 7/1972 - 2/2001.

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  Watchtower is a criminal organization, so this doesn't surprise me. Slick maneuvering for a zoning change, they could at least have done something with the park.

  The article says how the area was part of enriching Watchtower which returned nothing back to the area. Good riddance, their neighbors are yelling.
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  Ex JW's - Which Christian denomination are you with now and why?

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question for ex jw's who have joined another christian faith group.

  the purpose of my question iis to find out which christian faith group you chose after leaving watchtower and what convinced you to travel this new spiritual path you are on.

  i am interested to know because i personally would like to find a genuine faith group where i can feel true christian liberty as i initially thought i had with the witnesses.

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  dubstepped: What I am about is helping people find what they want, what makes them happy. I'm not about trying to make every conversation a battle to prove someone wrong.

  But notice this from the opening post:

  I personally would like to find a genuine faith group where I can feel true Christian liberty as I initially thought I had with the witnesses.

  Our comments are not simply Christian bashing. And our goals shouldn't be to make them happy. The poster wants to know "the truth" and we are helping with our thoughts from our own spiritual journeys. If you simply want to make Truthexplorer happy, then you should appreciate all this wonderful advice.
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  Another heavy load :Literature Cart Witnessing

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses standing on a street corner publicly promoting the propaganda of the governing body!another ridiculous form of "forced loyalty" to jehovah.

  "dirty work" that the wtbts make witnesses go through.preaching work '' lite''.putting more heavy loads on members while the ''faithful and discreet slave'' preach from warm studios without the humiliation.

  what an embarrassment!.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Are you kidding? A chair, a shady spot in the sunshine. Easy time. In many places, they have set up tables indoors. The problem is not the way they get their time, it's that they think they need to get "time" at all.

  I wish the load was as heavy as it could be so that JW's hate hate hate doing it. Less door-to-door and much less actually approaching people lets these people just enjoy a day out in the sun. Now if we could make them drag the phonograph around like the "colporters" did, that would be a real burden.
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  Ex JW's - Which Christian denomination are you with now and why?

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question for ex jw's who have joined another christian faith group.

  the purpose of my question iis to find out which christian faith group you chose after leaving watchtower and what convinced you to travel this new spiritual path you are on.

  i am interested to know because i personally would like to find a genuine faith group where i can feel true christian liberty as i initially thought i had with the witnesses.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYAhlz7rnPU
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  The TOP 5 Most Dangerous Teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by park ave boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first i want to say happy new year to everyone here including you lurkers!

  i was able to get away with my whole family for xmas and new years up to maine away from everything.

  i mean everything and it felt great.

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  Definitely:

  Blood, Shunning, Obey

  I tend to agree on birthdays, holidays, celebrations. Not celebrating isn't so terrible as many holidays are Hallmark creations or full of hype, but making children feel bad about desiring some birthday cake and isolating JW's from their non-JW family at times when all are gathering is just absolutely horrible.

  I would add to "Forbidding any research" - bashing all education beyond basics. They actually scoff at this and this is for their own reasons. It turns out that education is the answer to "everything." That includes figuring out that JW's are a dangerous mind-control cult.
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  Ex JW's - Which Christian denomination are you with now and why?

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question for ex jw's who have joined another christian faith group.

  the purpose of my question iis to find out which christian faith group you chose after leaving watchtower and what convinced you to travel this new spiritual path you are on.

  i am interested to know because i personally would like to find a genuine faith group where i can feel true christian liberty as i initially thought i had with the witnesses.

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  dubstepped: Gotta love how a person asks for help finding religious faith, a question that really doesn't need all of the God bashers' responses, only to find the atheists overwhelming the thread. This is why I don't even try to have intelligent discussions on here of any type of faith, not even asking well intentioned questions to see where I might stand. The God haters are every bit as rabid as those that love them some God, just here to proselytize and tell you how wrong you are for being different from them. Put a bag in their hands with science books in it, send them to the doors, and it's the dubs all over again.

  Notice the reason the thread exists: ...I personally would like to find a genuine faith group where I can feel true Christian liberty as I initially thought I had with the witnesses.

  We are not preaching atheism door-to-door. We are offering our perspective to someone who is in a similar place to where we were. We hope to convey helpful insights to someone so that they may move on with their life. I don't speak for others, but I do not share my atheism at all outside of the proper place (internet forums) unless others ask, and I don't browbeat them with "Are you stupid?" types of questions if they have beliefs.

  If someone asks how to find a bar of gold under a pile of cow manure, are we to ignore the question because we are 100% sure that bar of gold doesn't exist, therefore the question wasn't for us?
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  Ex JW's - Which Christian denomination are you with now and why?

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question for ex jw's who have joined another christian faith group.

  the purpose of my question iis to find out which christian faith group you chose after leaving watchtower and what convinced you to travel this new spiritual path you are on.

  i am interested to know because i personally would like to find a genuine faith group where i can feel true christian liberty as i initially thought i had with the witnesses.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Please define "true Christian liberty" for this thread.

  Seems like a double oxymoron. "True" doesn't relate to "Christian" as "Christian doesn't relate to "liberty."

  My path was similar to that of The Girl Next door.
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  The new Fred Franz?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  of course, no one could ever fully replace "our oracle for over 50 years" (ray franz quoting karl klein or someone else on the gb back in the days of gb i in cofc somewhere ), but i have to wonder just who on gb ii has come to fill fred franz's shoes the most.

  it seems like it is david splane.

  he appears to be in charge of the writing department, proposes and pushes thru the gb most of the doctrinal changes (he announces them so they're his baby), and like ff, fancies himself musically inclined.

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  OnTheWayOut

  There are about 1300 mega churches in the USA (membership in individual church exceeds 2000). The largest is probably that of Joel Osteen. There's still televangelists galore. If there are that many gullible people who believe their pastor should be believed no matter what he says, there's room for someone to come along and replace Freddy.

  But I don't think that "someone" is on the current GB. Give me a break - overlap generation. "Accept whatever we say even if it seems kind of goofy." (Paraphrase) "We aren't in money trouble, but we are in money trouble."

  It is ripe for a hostile takeover likened to the one Joe Rutherford did. The next Freddy could come out after that happens.