after being a jw for 25 years and keeping my true thoughts and feeling all bottled up and putting on the fake kingdom smile for so long i feel that my brain will explode when i finally let it all out. i feel sorry for the poor psych
OnTheWayOut
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Where do I start telling a psychologist about the mental trauma I feel as a fading jw?
by Simple Minds ini am on a pension, so i could not afford to pay for a psychologist, but my good doctor referred me to a free clinic for people on a low income, for my anxiety and depression, so i have finally got my first appointment with a psychologist since i started my fade, so where do i start trying to explain the mental trauma i feel as a fading jw?
i would appreciate your advice.
simple .
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OnTheWayOut
These are your own words, feel free to write them out and start by saying something just like you did here: -
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Good idea or bad idea?
by stephanie61092 infirst and foremost, thank you so much to so many of you who have reached out to me over the past few days since my post on sunday.
i'm not totally in the best mental state, however, i do have a very small amount of people that i can lean on for support.
i relayed my feelings to a friend (my only friend, really), who took the initiative to inform my family.
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OnTheWayOut
As another ex-elder, I agree with everything leaving_quietly says on page 2. I want to add that if they don't reinstate after the second letter, feel free to submit one every month and they will cave in sooner.
Don't bother with the money at all, no elders are likely to ever ever notice it.
When they reinstate, they will impose restrictions on you- withhold commenting and giving talks at the hall (or whatever they do with sisters at the CLAM now). You don't ever need to worry about getting such privileges back. As a matter of fact, if you are reinstated for the sake of family, you can feel free to miss any (or even ALL) meetings after that. You are golden and they can't make you progress as a "publisher" or anything. I wouldn't bother with trying to keep up any pretenses as far as the elders go after reinstatement, I would just avoid them. If you decide you need to attend some meetings because of family, just always tell the elders that you are fine and, "no, don't need to talk, bye."
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Just handed in my Disassociation letter
by Thirteenth tribe intonight my dl was posted by hand by my husband (a worldly guy).
i had the luxury of being at work distracted whilst he posted it.
i have been baptised for just over 2 years and studied since 2010. i couldn't take it anymore, not just the zealous dislike/disgust for 'people in the world' (this includes my husband and 99% of my family btw) but the obvious.... the investigations into child sexual abuse.
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Congratulations on your Disassociation. So great that you do not lose family over this. -
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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?
by flipper infrom the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.
beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.
i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .
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I did not grow up as a JW, so I had my music.
I was the idiot who pretty much shelved his heavy metal and did what "Mother" said.
I remember having a stupid discussion with another JW about RADAR LOVE and we decided it was okay because the guy could be singing about being physically separated from his wife.
Because I picked up my music again when I cast aside my JW beliefs, this was a very dear song to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4EFddbHkRo
I don't allow myself to listen to AC DC and many other groups unless I am able to turn up the volume. -
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When is a theory 'just a theory'?
by HB inthe titles of cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "evolution is a fact...".
richard dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.
the following may be of interest, it's from the bbc website - part of a regular series of articles called 'the vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words: .
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OnTheWayOut
WIkipedia is typically a good starting place. Notice the article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory
The basic discussion is that 'each of the words "evolution," "fact" and "theory" has several meanings in different contexts.' There is plenty of data that falls into the "facts" category and there is no doubt that "change over time" (the definition of "evolution") is taking place. But there are also theories. To science, theories are "well-substantiated explanations."The reason that many scientists (and Cofty and many of us atheists) say "Evolution is a fact" is because monotheists like to use words like "theory" to dismiss science. They assume a theory is just an opinion, like if I say "My theory is that rats only come in my barnyard at night to avoid me and my shotgun." They assume "theory" can easily be claimed to be weak.
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What could the FDS theme tune be?
by pandorasbox1914 inwhat do think guy's?for me it would have to be jimi hendrix "all along the watchtower" and when they end their earthly course, led zeppelin's "stairway to heaven"any other good songs?
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OnTheWayOut
....or SHIP OF FOOLS by the Grateful Dead
The Ship of Fools is a ship populated by fools, all sailing, supposedly, to the Paradise of Fools. But they have no pilot, and their journey is ill-fated. It represents Jerry Garcia and his band set adrift with no clear course or leader.
"Ship Of Fools"
Went to see the captain, strangest I could find,
Laid my proposition down, laid it on the line.
I won't slave for beggar's pay, likewise gold and jewels,
But I would slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools.
Ship of fools on a cruel sea, ship of fools sail away from me.
It was later than I thought when I first believed you,
Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools.
Saw your first ship sink and drown, from rockin' of the boat,
And all that could not sink or swim was just left there to float.
I won't leave you drifting down, but woh it makes me wild,
With thirty years upon my head to have you call me child.
Ship of fools on a cruel sea, ship of fools sail away from me.
It was later than I thought when I first believed you,
Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools.
The bottles stand as empty, as they were filled before.
Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more.
Though I could not caution all, I still might warn a few:
Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools.
Ship of fools on a cruel sea, ship of fools sail away from me.
It was later than I thought, when I first believed you,
Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools.
It was later than I thought when I first believed you,
Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools. -
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What could the FDS theme tune be?
by pandorasbox1914 inwhat do think guy's?for me it would have to be jimi hendrix "all along the watchtower" and when they end their earthly course, led zeppelin's "stairway to heaven"any other good songs?
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OnTheWayOut
BAD BLOOD by Neil Sedaka
It could've been me
But it was you
Who went and bit off
A little bit more
Than he could chew
You said that you had it made
But you been had
The woman no good
No how
Thinking maybe the blood is bad
Bad (bad) blood (blood)
The woman was born to lie
Makes promises she can't keep
With the wink of an eye
Bad (bad) blood (blood)
Brother, you've been deceived
It's bound to change your mind
About all you believe
From where I stand
It looks mighty strange
How you let a woman like that
Treat you like small change
I don't understand
What you're lookin' to find
The only thing bad blood do
Is mess up a good man's mind
Hear me talkin' now
Bad (bad) blood (blood)
The bitch is in her smile
The lie is on her lips
Such an evil child
Bad (bad) blood (blood)
Is takin' you for a ride
The only thing good about bad blood
Is lettin' it slide
Doo-ron, doo-ron, di di
Dit, dit, do-ron-ron
Doo-ron, doo-ron, di di
Dit, dit, do-ron-ron
Doo-ron, doo-ron, di di
Dit, dit, do-ron-ron
Bad blood, talking 'bout bad blood
Doo-ron, doo-ron, di di
Dit, dit, do-ron-ron
Doo-ron, doo-ron, di di
Dit, dit, do-ron-ron
Doo-ron, doo-ron, di di
Dit, dit, do-ron-ron
Bad blood, here we go
Bad (bad) blood (blood)
The bitch is in her smile
The lie is on her lips
Such an evil child
Bad (bad) blood (blood)
Is takin' you for a ride
The only thing good about bad blood
Is lettin' it slide
The only thing good about bad blood
Is letting it slide -
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Blood: Article about director of Atlanta's Emory Center for Ethics facing a contorversial decision involving a 17-year-old JW
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.atlantamagazine.com/health/emorys-center-for-ethics-faces-some-of-the-most-complex-and-controversial-issues-in-modern-medicine/.
emory center for ethics director faces some of the most complex—and controversial—issues in medicine paul root wolpe and his team think through the tough questions brought about by medical advances .
january 28, 2016 tony rehagen .
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OnTheWayOut
Thanks for that today. I am often confronted with the ethics questions that have no easy answers, but have not had to face them in a life-and-death situation. Reading these things helps me.
In that particular situation, I know the correct answer is to educate the boy that doing the bidding of idiots running a dangerous cult is the problem and that he wouldn't lose his supposed ticket to eternity by breaking the rules. But I also know it's not likely that seeking that correct answer will lead to success.
Funny how the boy has mainly learned that being a JW means looking for loopholes in the rules.
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Walking a thin line - Resigning Elder
by Sanchy inwarning of a long boring post ahead.
i feel like i need to vent my story out, as i feel quite helpless at the moment.. i'm 31 year old, married, father of toddler with another one on the way, due later this month.
i've been serving as elder for about 4 years now in a south florida congregation.
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OnTheWayOut
Five or so hours in and we are at a 4th page. I will answer before I read other answers, as I may never catch up otherwise.
I was serving as an elder longer than you, but found it relatively easy, family-wise, to walk away in my case, so I will say things from that perspective and try to empathize with a different situation that you are in.For years, I had questions bugging me. Like you I put them aside with the typical "I'll receive my answer one day". But they only grew and more problems with the religion came up. I eventually caved in and simply googled "Jehovah's Witnesses" and went everywhere the links took me. But to be fair, I took years and years to get to that point. You are way ahead of me if you are an elder 4 years.
I could not stay in the congregation and try to encourage my wife out. I did quite a bit of that, and didn't get too far. I had to be free of it myself, for my personal sanity and mental health. She's still a faithful JW, but not as hardcore as I would have thought. So I have that.
While it wouldn't have worked for me, some stayed active JW's, at least in appearance, and helped their loved ones out with studying and questioning. It can be done. No apostate literature is needed, but it is helpful to prepare yourself with it, then just use Watchtower literature to help your wife.
Congratulations on your resignation as an elder. This is a huge step. I did the "doubt" thing myself, similar to your summary.
While it's tough that your entire family is in the org., you can start to have friends on the outside. I hate the slight double-life thing but I don't have too much choice. My best friends are from this forum and other ex-JW's. So they are not my wife's friends.
Your wife said that if you leave the religion, she will teach it to them. I would tend to believe her. She also said you've made her life so much more difficult now. Don't let her hang that on you, it isn't true. I get that and it's hard to release, but the comeback is that each person must take their own spiritual journey and find their own path. I wish there was an easy answer here, but there isn't. The easiest thing to do for a short peace is to let her be, but as you love her so much, you want to help her to think for herself and use her freedoms.
Isn't it a joke that "the branch" has to approve your resignation? They did that to me, too. I didn't want to make waves, so I said "Do what you want, but I am done- approval or not." I quit in August and they didn't get an answer until October and I didn't tell anyone in the congregation that I wasn't an elder, except my wife. But I sat during meetings without responsibilities, I wore a red sweater instead of a suit jacket, kind of signifying that I wasn't even available to do any assignments. I commented a little bit to say that I wasn't "in trouble."
The main thing about removing yourself from responsibility is to retain relations with your family, so good job. Don't worry so much about the friends. Heck, I lost my absolute best friend over this matter of "fading."If your situation persists for years, as is highly likely, you can get help from others here who have had children caught in the middle. I wish you well. Oh, and your reading wasn't terribly long at all. Thanks for sharing another "Waking up" story.