OnTheWayOut
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Article: Are There Contradictions in the Bible?
by ttdtt inwhen online looking at the recent wt there was a link to this..https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/are-there-contradictions-in-the-bible/.
here are the "big" ones they disproved - though not really:).
if god rested on the seventh day, how has he continued working?where did jesus heal the blind man?will the earth be destroyed?in capernaum, who brought the centurion’s request to jesus?do we all sin?is jesus equal to god or lesser than god?.
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Impact of NWT
by menrov inhi all, just recently i was thinking about the period of my study and eventual baptism as jw.
it took many years, i guess in all about 10 years.
various times i stopped the study but after a while it started again.
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There have been many who have become JW when the NWT was not available in their language. That's all I got to say about that.
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Hey everyone
by coffee_black inpopping in to say hi.... been away from the forum for a long time.... had some serious health issues starting at the beginning of this year.
on the mend now, and getting back into the swing of things.... great to be alive!.
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Great to hear you are alive and on the mend. Power to you.
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The Great October 2016 Invite to the Sunday Meeting campaign ...
by freddo inwell how's it going round your way?
massive increase of interested ones?
did you even know it was supposed to be happening?
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Hey, I am an inactive one. Nobody invited me. I knew nothing of a campaign.
Don't get me wrong, I am happy they leave me alone. But it shows that this isn't a real thing, just busy work. -
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Can Someone Explain To Me, Are The Org In Debt Or Rich?
by pale.emperor inhi guys.. im aware of the orgs blatant hints to donate, donate, donate to the org, the sacking of bethel staff, selling of buildings, reducing mags and books, emphasis on digital rather than physical books etc which is obviously a money saver - but are the wt org in money difficulty?
because elsewhere on here and on youtube there's stories of the watchtower being mega rich, one even called it "a billion dollar organization".
and if there is any money in there, who's benefiting off it?
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When you are a giant publishing company, and all publications from newspapers to magazines to books are yesterday's profits and today's burden, it's hard to change and stay profitable. And then there are lawsuits galore.
Borders book stores were forced to start selling e-readers. It was the beginning of their end. No point in buying a $25 book at Borders when you can buy it on Amazon for a download fee less than half of that. No point in even going to Borders if that's the case. Watchtower is heading that way right now. But even worse, their "product" is laughable to young people, so while some members won't be "buying" literature, others are heading away from the religion and never going back.
But just as the Wall Street Journal is still around, it takes awhile to get rid of a giant. After Brooklyn, there's still all those Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls. There's still some profit in annual conventions and there's still many ways they can cut costs until it's just the Governing Body and a few internet gurus running the company. I think they are doomed, but I think they will be around for my lifetime. I hope I am wrong. -
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Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic...Ben Carson
by James Mixon inlaughing my a-off watching the comedian lewis black and he mention what carson said, and i thought surely old ben didn't say that.
i b- damn, he said it.
black said " he said this in front of a lot of people and i'am surprise no one came up to him and said ben, you must come with us now"... .
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Ben Carson must have one of those minds where he learns something and it is embedded as fact. He learns how to do surgery and he's good at it. He learns that the fundamentalist view is real and he embraces it.
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What steps did you take to free yourself from the cult? mentally or physically?
by HereIgo infirst i ignored all of the elders phone calls to send my recommendation letter to my new congregation, truth is i had already started my fade and moved across town and didn't have a new congregation.
i deleted all jw friends on facebook.
i also threw away all of my public talks recorded on cd, all literature, even my book bag and my bible.
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While in, I finally reached the doubt stage that allowed me to thoroughly investigate the internet links such as jwfacts and freeminds. I ordered and read Steve Hassan's COMBATTING CULT MIND CONTROL and Ray Franz' CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE. Since I was a very involved elder, I had to make some drastic changes. I resigned as an elder claiming I had doubt, particularly in following the lead of the anointed without knowing any of them personally. Basically, I was honest enough to make the brothers scared to talk to me, because they seem to believe that apostasy is contagious.
I quickly faded because my doubts were well-known among the elders.
To deal with my own psychological letting go, I embraced the idea of meeting other former JW's. I went to counseling to face the things that made me join the JW's and to face letting go. I even had a solemn private ceremony denouncing my baptism and allowing myself to violate my own conscience when dealing with lying to the JW's or withholding information or dealing with JW family in the same way. Since baptism was a water thing, unbaptism included fire- the burning of Watchtower literature.
I have since traveled across the United States and included meeting with other former JW's. While not afraid of them, I have found it better in my case to just avoid all JW's except for my mother and my wife and her family. I just have no reason to have any interaction and it keeps the elders from bothering me- no fellowship means no need to investigate a need to disfellowship. -
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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.
by joe134cd inhttps://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
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Drwho on page 3: All this said and done , I believe he is genuine and has a wealth of knowledge in this field . What is totally different and maybe almost unique to the JWs is the fact that so many are long term / born in members . His books are 90% directed at people who have just been sucked in to a cult .
I am a huge fan of Steve Hassan's books. COMBATTING CULT MIND CONTROL was huge for me. It was written when he didn't know much at all about JW's.
But I was primed to leave JW's and I was ready to hear it. I could sing the praises of Steve Hassan and say he is probably worth $400 an hour. But honestly, he's probably worth that to get your young adult relative out of some hardcore cult that s/he joined in college or high school that is more gang-like or like a commune.For yourself, if you want to consult with Steve Hassan, go ahead and try. You will probably like it. For an intervention (especially with a long-time member), I am quite sure it doesn't really work with Mormons and JW's to simply make them a captured audience for awhile.
If you are searching for a free intervention, you won't find experts out there to do it. If you are searching for free or reasonable help for yourself, you will probably find that to some degree.
I would gladly pay Steve Hassan several thousand dollars if there was some guarantee I could get my wife out of the Jehovah's Witnesses, but I am pretty confident that it wouldn't work. I never went so far as to consult on this, but I considered getting Hassan or someone similar to sit on a long airplane ride next to my wife and make her a semi-captive audience. But she would probably engage in conversation for a few minutes to be polite then do the same she has done with me, which is saying that "this conversation is giving me a headache" and insist that the person stops.
I mention that, because I think most here who are against the high fees are thinking similarly- that thousands of dollars later, their JW loved one is still a JW loved one, and what a waste of money. -
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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.
by joe134cd inhttps://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
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OnTheWayOut
The Cult Education Institute (in your link) is run by Rick Ross, a controversial cult deprogrammer. Read this one organization link to see what they have to say about Rick Ross and his ongoing attacks on Steve Hassan.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/132-rick-ross-not-endorsed -
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the new understanding
by heathen inhi guys , i know i was never a favorite here and haven't posted in awhile ... question .
what do you think of the new understanding of , " this generation " they seem to go in circles on this one big time , once 1914 generation was almost gone they said they didn't know what it meant and now in the new publication the generation includes the second generation after 1914 .... i agree they don't know what they are talking about and this is just another control move .
any comments ?.
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Old doctrine (loosely) based on scriptures is the biggest hindrance Watchtower has to overcome when the calendar says they are wrong. They will invent any bullshit to do this. Reading over some of Freddy Franz' stuff, there is no real basis for 1975 and for the length of earth years given to a "creative day." He just invented bullshit that was more dazzling than the bullshit the current bunch came up with.