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  New Boy only 3 weeks out, My Dedication

  by new boy in

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  this book is dedicated to james olson and robert stillman and the millions of other people, who have been victims of religious abuse.

  this book is dedicated to the thousands of people who have lost their parents, children and families members by way of the cruel practice of shunning.

  this book is for the thousands of suicide victims, people who could not live with the guilt and shame that the jehovah’s witnesses thought system has created for them.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Help us find your book.
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  Introduction

  by Cerise in

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  hello i am relatively new, reading a lot of experiences here for a while.

  i’m born in and baptized but i moved away from small town to a new congregation in big city so i have a good opportunity to fade now.

  all my good friends are worldly and my boyfriend.

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  OnTheWayOut

  If nobody really knows you and where you live, consider the full immediate disappearing instead of a drawn out fade.

  Feel free to live a normal worldly life then. The vast majority of people don't violate JW rules in public except smoking and doing holiday stuff.

  Don't smoke (it's bad for you anyway) in public and minimize your public participation in holidays. Also, be careful about your social media. Maybe use your fake persona to join any groups like you did here.

  I like the stumbled victim play, but I fully recommend you save it for a persistant elder. Prior to that point, I recommend just staying out of conversations with them. "I am fine, I will call you if I need you."
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  Anyone else do this?

  by Biahi in

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  i used a public washroom in a grocery store.

  in the stall, someone left a tract on the baby changer.

  my first thought was to trash it, instead i wrote cult on it and jwfacts.com on it.

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  Tracts in such places are rare- many more are seen in laundromats. In bathrooms, it is often tracts of other beliefs that are present.
  
  I always just trashed them, JW or otherwise.
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  Three Questions...Agree or Disagree?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  agree...or...disagree.

  three questions (answer them in your own head).

  1. is it okay to punish people who have done nothing wrong?2.

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  OnTheWayOut

  The problem is in various definitions or philosophies on what constitutes punishment and reward.

  I am sure that many will say that "rewarding" someone with the same thing everyone else is rewarded with could be a "punishment" to them if they could have more (or different) without such social justice.

  One of my antagonists on Facebook insists that, in the United States, "Medicare for all" is a ridiculous notion that we would all have to pay extreme amounts for, while receiving poor care. So he quickly sees it as a punishment that I see as a reward. (Well, truly- as a basic human right.) The answer would be to allow people to go beyond the "reward" given to them- allow them to buy better care than is provided for everyone. And of course, it would also be to improve the basic care given to everyone.
  
  With justice, students get the grade they earned. It is injustice to give an "A" or an "F" to a "C" student. With social justice, we should not go so far as to reward all students with the same grade because that would punish many of them and reward some of them.
  
  Birth defects and diseases are not rewards or punishments. They are typically misfortune. And nobody would suggest seriously that healthy people should be made to have similar defects if it cannot be removed from others. Instead, we strive to treat the handicapped with compassion and dignity. We can never level the playing field in ways that are totally "fair" to them, but we can be human. Broadly, this must apply to social justice and justice in other issues.
  
  Whatever issue you are going to follow up with here, it would similarly have to be taken as its own issue instead of finding some broad philosophical view such as punishment and reward being a result of justice and social justice.
  
  
  
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  Why did Jehovah allow Eve to become pregnant?

  by moomanchu in

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  jehovah reminds me of married couples who are having problems who decide to .

  have children to improve their lot.. obviuosly jehovah can prevent pregnancy.. 1 samuel 1:5,6 .

  but to hannah he gave a double portion because he loved her, .

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  OnTheWayOut

  Made up after the fact to attempt to explain the way things are, so a better result already was out.
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  Did Jesus exist? Probably not

  by The 12 Apostates in

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  threads about this have been made before, but none have been made for a few years.

  i was very much on the fence with this one, i never really cared.

  but i became curious recently, having had a few interactions with street preachers.

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  While I am pretty confident that there was no "Jesus" keep in mind that this is a can of worms.
  
  "They" will tell you that virtually all the scholars, the people in the know somehow, the professors and archaeologists, all of them will confirm that Jesus existed and was crucified. It just isn't so, but because it is so widely believed, it is very hard to present evidence against his existence without them belittling the evidence.
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  "They are so keen, they need to be locked up for the first 6 months!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  do we all remember that expression when we were jws?.

  someone new would "come into the truth", and be so enthusiastic and keen, that we would all joke about "locking them up for the first 6 months because they would preach to everyone".

  jws thought that the passion for "learning the truth" was the issue.

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  Oh, the same can be true not only when we discover "The truth about The Truth" but also when we discover truths about the Bible itself, the God of Christianity, the length of time man has been on earth, all religion, science.

  Most of us know these things, but good reminders.
  
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  Big Announcement in Montreal

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  just got the heads up from montreal that 16 congregations will cease to exist from 1 april 2019. also 3 kh are no longer going to be used anymore.

  this was a major announcement for many and upsetting.

  wonder where the r& f are going to be dispersed with what sacrifices in the way!.

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  ToesUp: Once the $ is shuffled around, the glorious GB will "disappear in the twinkling of an eye (to the Cayman Islands)." lol
  
  

  
  I have said this before. I will help them pack if they hurry up and leave.
  (They are going to take the money anyway, might as well end it sooner.)
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  When The Truth - is Not -The Truth

  by Esau in

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  is 607bc being a made up, “plug in” date the only thing that invalidates 1914 from being christ’s time of kingly rein?.

  i mean, screw the math & bs formulas.

  can 1914 simply work as a starting date for “the last days” simply by the events that occurred??

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  I posted this on this forum ten years ago:

  Here's the real simple version of the complicated doctrine of when Jesus supposedly returned and the last days arrived/ended/started.
  
  William Miller said that Jesus' Return would be in 1844. (See The Great Disappointment at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment ) People who believed what he said were known as "Millerites." It (Jesus' return) didn't happen. This return of Jesus was also known as his second advent, and believers came to be known as Adventists.
  Adventist Jonas Wendell suffered in his faith at the Great Disappointment, but later carried the same type of "Millerites" talk in a sermon where Wendell had picked the new date of 1873 or 1874 for Jesus' 2nd return (after studying Bible chronology and being wrong about 1868). 18 year old C. T. Russell heard Wendell in 1870 speak of such a date. Wendell had already published The Present Truth, or Meat in Due Season highlighting such dates. So Wendell invented those terms that would haunt the WT organization and morph into New Light and food at the proper time.
  
  Wendell died in August of 1873, probably confident that his 1873 to 1874 date was correct. When Jesus didn't appear as expected, Russell still believed it (or at least wanted to keep selling pamplets that explained it). He taught that Jesus must have returned invisibly, meaning that Jesus was ruling from Heaven starting in 1874. He taught that 40 years later, a literal application of how long a "generation" was, in 1914, Jesus would take power on the earth. That would mean an end to the Gentile Times in 1914 and an end to the last days- destruction and death and stuff.
  
  Because World War One (coincidentally) started in 1914, Russell used that as a sign that he was correct in his complicated doctrines. He was already good at reinventing understanding rather than admitting he was wrong.

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  All the rest is just calculated backwards- the stuff about 607 BCE and the 2520 years and the Seven Times.
  All of it was just made to fit that understanding. When things didn't work out as planned (again) the people in charge just reinvented the understandings and adjusted the math to fit whatever they wanted it to fit to sell more pamphlets/magazines/books. The end of the last days became the beginning of the last days. 1874 was forgotten. They just kept changing the end-date. They even made terrible errors and just changed the math to fit- they forgot there was no "Year Zero" and changed 606 BCE to 607 BCE.
  They kept 1914 because it was so well-known to the followers and they already said "See, we were right" when World War One started. Everything about Nebuchadnezzar and the destruction/building of the temple was just made to fit the math. You can find anything if you work backwards. It's like writing a Sherlock Holmes story. Just work backwards from what a great detective would expect to find and make him look like a genius in discovering those things.
  
  It is so unnecessary to understand the ridiculous theories of WT's present understanding when you can see what it was based on and how it changed to suit their need to get a following and sell pamphlets/magazines/books. It saddens me that I bothered to understand it at one time.
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  ''Special Letter'' to be Read In Canada Week of Feb 3,2019

  by Beth Sarim in

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  2. experiences

  i have just been informed that there is a 'special letter' to be read at the meetings week of feb 3,2019 in canada.

  anybody heard of this!!

  just a heads-up!

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  OnTheWayOut

  Codes on lapel badges. I can't help it.

  Badges? We don't need badges. I don't have to show them any stinking badges.

  Seriously, they invite the public to these events. You don't need a badge and you aren't crashing when there's a public invitation.