OnTheWayOut

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  Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

  by slimboyfat in

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  say it ain’t so!

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  in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

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  Money and the calendar cause them to change doctrine.
  
  I think this one comes into the calendar issue. But I heard that rumor this year about an overall plan to totally change things up in some number of years and they seem to be ramping it up to just a couple years.
  
  With "overlapping generation" and so many other changes, it makes sense to get ahead of this soon. We are 110 years out from 1914.
  
  When they change things so much and very few members leave, they must get a real kick out of that.
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  (Hey OTWO! Haven't seen ya hear in a while. Hope life is treating you good!)

  
  I would say I was here, but in disguise. But really, I haven't been here. I will always return as I have some JW family left, but really- I have drifted away from drifting away. Been there, done that.
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  DISFELLOWSHIPPING UPDATES JWFACTS.COM

  by blondie in

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  2. beliefs

  i have followed an ex-jw website that has many articles on the past history of the wts and current articles using wt publications to tell the real truth not just the edited wt version.

  considering recent changes this link to df'ing was updated in august 2024. it is worth a serious read, puts things in categories and has timely comments from a long-time ex-jw from australia, ex-bethelite and father is a circuit overseer.

  i have used this many times so i don't "reinvent the wheel" when discussing certain topics on jwn.

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  Page 27 of the August 2024 Watchtower stated that the word disfellowshipped will no longer be used, and instead be referred to as “being removed from the congregation.”

  Thanks for linking this.
  
  The chariot is rolling along at a fast pace. But I would guess that this is to use legal technicalities to say they are not disfellowshipping people for many certain offenses.
  
  
  
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  He wears a disguise when liquor shopping.
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  What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

  by Touchofgrey in

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  is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

  the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

  i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

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  Is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?

  
  No.
  How could there be?
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  Materialistic and Soon

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading a bart ehrman book, .

  armageddon: what the bible really says about the end.

  no, i won't bore you with complicated various theories i was reading.

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  I was reading a Bart Ehrman book,

  Armageddon: What the Bible Really Says about the End

  NO, I won't bore you with complicated various theories I was reading. But two things I picked up on were that many groups' theology, including JW's, has a materialistic future in mind. JW's imagine paradise, living in nice mansions left empty when Deniers were destroyed.

  The other thing I noticed was how the idea of the end being "soon" has always had to morph as time marched on.

  The apostles supposedly expected all these things in their lifetime. Augustine converted because the end was soon. Coincidentally, Napoleon attacked the Vatican when it was imminently soon expected, similar to World War breaking out when CTRussell expected the end soon...after other disappointments.

  Heck, I became a JW because Jehovah called me when it was extremely soon in 1988, as the Generation was very old.

  I think that's wearing out soon.
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  Armageddon Car

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  how many of you bought a nice sedan, suv, or even a minivan back in the days that you described as your "armageddon car" that you would care for and it would last until the end arrived?.

  i was driving a 1974 plymouth volare wagon in 1992 when i managed to get an 8-year old buick century.

  it was low mileage and had a very luxurious interior.

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  Good responses here. Many Armageddon cars. Thanks all.
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  Children dumped at ministry group

  by Mikejw in

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  2. friends

  it’s not right for children to be forced to come to ministry groups on their own without their parents.

  the parents just expect others to look after them.. we have this happening at our group all the time.

  early teens and even younger.. the parents just want them out of the house for a bit and put the burden on others to look after them and get them home safely.. there should be an announcement or something that youths need to be accompanied by a responsible adult and not just dumped at the group on their own.. who is supposed to look after them?.

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  I never had children dropped into the service group unless someone already knew they would be responsible for them. Different ways in different congregations.

  We did have mother with children in tow, expecting that someone would illegally put then in their car/minivan without child seats. I told those parents we could walk, but I wouldn't assign them to a car group. They weren't happy in the winter, but I was walking too, so I was covered.
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  Armageddon Car

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
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  how many of you bought a nice sedan, suv, or even a minivan back in the days that you described as your "armageddon car" that you would care for and it would last until the end arrived?.

  i was driving a 1974 plymouth volare wagon in 1992 when i managed to get an 8-year old buick century.

  it was low mileage and had a very luxurious interior.

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  How many of you bought a nice sedan, SUV, or even a minivan back in the days that you described as your "Armageddon car" that you would care for and it would last until the end arrived?

  I was driving a 1974 Plymouth Volare Wagon in 1992 when I managed to get an 8-year old Buick Century. It was low mileage and had a very luxurious interior. The only reason I could afford it was that it had horrible pain "cancer," flaking of its burgundy color all over, especially the hood.

  When I got that Buick in 1992, there were so many that asked if it was my Armageddon car. It was just a car. It's long gone now, as most others' Armageddon cars are gone now.
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  ThomasMore
  I don’t actually believe WTC has a 10 year plan. Most of the decision makers don’t have a 10 day plan.

  
  Yeah, I do believe they had a "TEN" year plan at first. But Norway and France and maybe other countries going to shut down Watchtower in their country has changed that plan and made it rather urgent. It could be a 2 year plan now.
  
  But you are probably right that it never really was such a long-term changes plan.